POLL: Is 2560X1440 resolution useful/needed for ~5 inch phones ??

[kaerflog]

Just trying to see what ATOT consensus is.

 

[Ravynmagi]

I can't answer that until I see it.

 

[Red Storm]

Hard to answer without actually seeing the display first, but I have no problem with continued advancement in tech. Usually new display tech gives us not only improved resolution but also better efficiency and such.

And honestly the actual resolution doesn't matter, there are some people out there who have been saying this since the first "Retina" iPhone.

 

[Sheep]

I have horrible vision so I highly doubt I'd be able to see any improvements beyond 1080p on a small screen.

 

[jacktesterson]

I can see a difference of 1080p over 720p on a 5 inch screen, mostly with Text and clarity.

As far as over 1080p on a 5 inch, I can't say for sure as I haven't seen one, so cannot comment, but I highly doubt there will be much difference, but who knows.

Therefore, I chose stupid, for now.

 

[dawheat]

No for 5" and under LCD screens.

Maybe for 5" AMOLED screens using the diamond matrix.

Yes for 5.5"+ AMOLED screens for phablets.

 

[theeedude]

I can't see it being useful,
Even if you can see the difference, you need to trade it against the battery power to render and drive to a higher res screen (Backlight, GPU, Memory, display IO, etc)

 

[poofyhairguy]

We will know when we see one. So many said 720p to 1080p wouldn't be a big deal and it was a huge leap for me.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

It's not needed, but can it be useful? Maybe. I welcome 2560x1440, but only after they iron out other issues.

For example, if the next Nexus gives 2560x1440 but the same shitty camera and bad speaker, then yeah I'd be pretty irritated.

I think displays have reached a point where we can stop pushing for ridiculous resolutions and focus on other features first.

 

[BrightCandle]

I assume it will bring further increases in fidelity. 1080p even on these small screens is not yet at 2x the minimal resolvable angle of resolution of the eye yet so we have a way to go before the image has truly life like reproduction. It will be diminishing returns of course but that isn't a good reason not to keep pushing display technology to the point of near perfection. If only they would also focus on quality of colour as well!

 

[magomago]

It's not needed, but can it be useful? Maybe. I welcome 2560x1440, but only after they iron out other issues.

For example, if the next Nexus gives 2560x1440 but the same shitty camera and bad speaker, then yeah I'd be pretty irritated.

I think displays have reached a point where we can stop pushing for ridiculous resolutions and focus on other features first.

el oh el. off topic: shitty camera AND bad speaker?


Everything is about (a) Is there a quality supplier that can push the quantities required (b) How much more will you pay for that item and (c) will it irreversibly affect the consumer experience and (d) will the consumer pay extra for it, or will they purchase your product instead of a competitors.

If 1440p 5" screens are mass produced at slightly higher prices, and it doesn't irreversibly affect the consumer experience by resulting in 2 hours of battery life, and the consumer will buy it over a competing product, then why would a company not integrate it? What does a camera, where most consumers probably don't care that much, have to do with it?

The reality is that when you mass produce millions of devices, there is a lot of thought that goes into it; there are obvious total misses in any product even with lots of careful consideration. However, when these 'misses' carry over forward it indicated that there was a conscious trade off. I promise you they found that the average consumer was okay with the camera as it was, and that paying more for a better camera didn't work out well. Luckily, since technology typically becomes cheaper over time to produce, certain upgrades can come for "free" (ie: look at the price of memory on digikey - the difference between various sizes at large quanitities can be near negligible in some instances)

edit: Here is an easier way to explain it.

Scenario 1 - User: Hmmm this Nexus Phone has everything I need, but the camera isn't great. Well, as I look through samples, I think I can live with it. The [insert phone here] has better quality, but I don't think I want to pay an extra 200 dollars.

Secnario 2 - Google: We missed sales targets on the Nexus 5 by about 5%. Our research has indicated that despite everything else we offered, people opted for [insert competing phones] because of the camera. Our next iteration needs to resolve this because we have even higher sales expectations.

on topic:

no end user/consumer has seen a 1600p 5" screen yet. I'm sure when they come out, we'll be seeing LOTS of 720p vs 1080p vs 1600p comparisons. 1600p would be nice, but I'd be concerned about (a) still having a fluid experience and (b) still maintaining the level of battery life.

 

[magomago]

I want to meet the 5 people who can see 1080p vs 1600p difference because they must be working for a handset manufacturer and have access to prototype samples

 

[stlc8tr]

Meh. It's just for bragging rights.

Personally I'm even skeptical of people who claim that that they see the difference in 720p vs 1080p on a 4.7" screen. Perhaps if the 720p screen was crappy SAMOLED (instead of SAMOLED+) but otherwise, it's just like those people who claim that they can tell the difference between speaker cables.

 

[Red Storm]

Meh. It's just for bragging rights.

Personally I'm even skeptical of people who claim that that they see the difference in 720p vs 1080p on a 4.7" screen. Perhaps if the 720p screen was crappy SAMOLED (instead of SAMOLED+) but otherwise, it's just like those people who claim that they can tell the difference between speaker cables.

Not at all the same. Every day typical phone users can see the difference between 720P and 1080P. I noticed it immediately, and I'm not the kind of person that sees the blue tints and "horrible reds!" on certain displays.

 

[stlc8tr]

Not at all the same. Every day typical phone users can see the difference between 720P and 1080P. I noticed it immediately, and I'm not the kind of person that sees the blue tints and "horrible reds!" on certain displays.

Unless it's under double blind test conditions, I call shens.

 

[shortylickens]

I dont think so. I'd rather see more 4inch phones at 720 or 1080. In fact my next phone will be a 4 incher regardless of resolution (provided it has a decent CPU).

 

[jacktesterson]

Not at all the same. Every day typical phone users can see the difference between 720P and 1080P. I noticed it immediately, and I'm not the kind of person that sees the blue tints and "horrible reds!" on certain displays.

To be fair, 720p to 1080p will be more noticable than 1080p to 1440p.

We really need to see them before we can judge.

I'm still quite certain the overwhelming majority of phone users out there are more than happy with 720p.

I recently had a Galaxy Mega 6.3 with a "lowly" 720p screen on it for a few weeks to play with and I had tons of people comment on the "beautiful screen"





Edit: For me, I really wish they'd focus more on Battery life and software optimizations. That also ties into improved efficiency of SoC's. 1080p screens are more than enough IMO, so the S5 coming out - I really could care less at this point. The 805 Snapdraggon will be nice, but the S4 Pro is still plenty fast for almost anything. At this point I want the new SoC's just for better efficiency.

The LG G2 is still the best complete phone on the market in my opinion, but it lacks one Huge thing - Software updates. If LG was more serious about updates, I'd have no problem calling it the best phone in the world.

 

[shortylickens]

Actually I'd like to see more small laptops in the 1920x1200 range. My current school computer is something like 1366x768. Its not much good for school work, sadly.

 

[s44]

Only for OEMs to stay one step ahead of Apple in the numbers game.

 

[WelshBloke]

I want one just because it would be funny to have my 5" phone have a greater resolution than my 24" monitor.

 

[TreVader]

I would welcome 1440p on a GS5 or Note 4 but the issue I see is brightness and battery life. When i run my GS4 at full brightness (which is all the time during the day because it's not a very bright screen) my battery life get's slaughtered. The GPU would be an issue on an iOS device because when people code for iphone they actually use all the GPU power available, but I have no doubt the adreno 320 in my GS4 will still be in the to 10th percentile of android phones by early 2015.


Basically, I doubt the average person will notice the difference but on AMOLED displays it might be a bit nicer, but they should concentrate on making brighter/more efficient displays.

 

[dagamer34]

No for 5" and under LCD screens.

Maybe for 5" AMOLED screens using the diamond matrix.

Yes for 5.5"+ AMOLED screens for phablets.

/end thread.

 

[StrangerGuy]

If you aren't using a magnifying glass with your phone you are doing it wrong.

 

[mnewsham]

When i run my GS4 at full brightness (which is all the time during the day because it's not a very bright screen) my battery life get's slaughtered.

Unless you are standing around in broad daylight all day you are wasting battery, you shouldn't need brightness over 30-40% when indoors and I usually don't even need it over 60% when outside, the few occasions I am direct sunlight might require me to push it up to 80+% for a few minutes, but that happens so rarely it doesn't effect my battery that much.

 

[dawheat]

I would welcome 1440p on a GS5 or Note 4 but the issue I see is brightness and battery life. When i run my GS4 at full brightness (which is all the time during the day because it's not a very bright screen) my battery life get's slaughtered. The GPU would be an issue on an iOS device because when people code for iphone they actually use all the GPU power available, but I have no doubt the adreno 320 in my GS4 will still be in the to 10th percentile of android phones by early 2015.


Basically, I doubt the average person will notice the difference but on AMOLED displays it might be a bit nicer, but they should concentrate on making brighter/more efficient displays.

Using Lux dash to handle autobrightness on my Samsung phones was a big improvement over stock. The improvements to the Note 3 screen +movie mode have pretty much eliminated any issues I've had with Amoled screens, even in bright sunlight.