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NikPreviousAcct

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India can make money other ways. Science that takes years of college to go through isn't going to employ those who don't have the money to go to school in the first place, so it's basically something to do for the rich. I mean, for Christ's sake... feed the people!!

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
India can make money other ways. Science that takes years of college to go through isn't going to employ those who don't have the money to go to school in the first place, so it's basically something to do for the rich. I mean, for Christ's sake... feed the people!!

nik

I agree.

If they want to explore beyond the earth, they should just do what we did and join the US space program. And maybe fund the international space station and send some of their own astronauts to space. That'll be a good start.



 

HombrePequeno

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I would imagine the government and colleges give out scholarships to those who deserve it so those who want to can afford it somehow. Scientific research spurs economic growth which India desperately needs.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
I would imagine the government and colleges give out scholarships to those who deserve it so those who want to can afford it somehow. Scientific research spurs economic growth which India desperately needs.

The difference between a rich person and a poor person in India (the class separation) is WAY too big. In the U.S., the class separation (if you want to call it that) is something like $40,000 difference. In India, it's $70,000 or so. People who can afford to go to college don't need the scholarships. Those who don't have the money (the ones who do need the scholarships), don't have money to hardly buy anything with the day's wages. If you were the country's leader, would you pour money into something to help the rich get richer and let the poor get poorer?

nik
 

ElFenix

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actually southern india would be a pretty good place to launch a rocket from... close to the equator and with pretty much no population eastward due to the bay of bengal.
 

HombrePequeno

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I agree.

If they want to explore beyond the earth, they should just do what we did and join the US space program. And maybe fund the international space station and send some of their own astronauts to space. That'll be a good start.

You guys didn't join the US space program. The Canadian Space Agency may cooperate with NASA quite a bit but they are a separate entity. Sure NASA sends up their astronauts but we do that with dozens of other countries too, that doesn't mean they're a part of NASA.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
I agree.

If they want to explore beyond the earth, they should just do what we did and join the US space program. And maybe fund the international space station and send some of their own astronauts to space. That'll be a good start.

You guys didn't join the US space program. The Canadian Space Agency may cooperate with NASA quite a bit but they are a separate entity. Sure NASA sends up their astronauts but we do that with dozens of other countries too, that doesn't mean they're a part of NASA.

Yeah. If that were the case, we'd be workin with the Rushkies! :Q ;)

nik (is russian/german)
 

HombrePequeno

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The difference between a rich person and a poor person in India (the class separation) is WAY too big. In the U.S., the class separation (if you want to call it that) is something like $40,000 difference. In India, it's $70,000 or so. People who can afford to go to college don't need the scholarships. Those who don't have the money (the ones who do need the scholarships), don't have money to hardly buy anything with the day's wages. If you were the country's leader, would you pour money into something to help the rich get richer and let the poor get poorer?

What do you think scholarships are for? Scholarships help you afford college. A country doesn't need to turn to socialism to help the poor get richer, just look at India before the 1990s.
 

zzzz

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
I would imagine the government and colleges give out scholarships to those who deserve it so those who want to can afford it somehow. Scientific research spurs economic growth which India desperately needs.

The difference between a rich person and a poor person in India (the class separation) is WAY too big. In the U.S., the class separation (if you want to call it that) is something like $40,000 difference. In India, it's $70,000 or so. People who can afford to go to college don't need the scholarships. Those who don't have the money (the ones who do need the scholarships), don't have money to hardly buy anything with the day's wages. If you were the country's leader, would you pour money into something to help the rich get richer and let the poor get poorer?

nik


The college education in India is way cheaper. Most of it is subsidized by the government.
 

Shantanu

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ffmcobalt: You, sir, are a racist twit whose talking out of his ass. Please don't crap on this thread any further, until you have at least some understanding of the issues.

Unlike Sub-Saharan Africa, the majority of poor people in India do in fact get enough food to eat. So I don't understand where all this misguided "FEED THE PEOPLE, MAN" bullsh|t is coming from.

IIRC, back in the 1960's, there were riots day and night in American cities. Entire portions of Los Angeles and Detroit burned to the ground. 10% of the population couldn't vote because of their skin color. There was a war in Vietnam. There were still poor people in the U.S. back then, as there are now. Not everyone got enough food to eat. Not everyone who wanted to go to school or college was able to.

Yet in spite of all that, the U.S. still spent billions of dollars to send a man to the moon. All that money was spent at the expense of social spending.

And you know what? It was money well spent. There are always going to be social problems, and wealth redistribution has never solved them. The only solution to social problems is to create economic opportunities for the people.

$85million on this program can lead to billions or more in FDI. How is that not money well spent?
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: zzzz
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
I would imagine the government and colleges give out scholarships to those who deserve it so those who want to can afford it somehow. Scientific research spurs economic growth which India desperately needs.

The difference between a rich person and a poor person in India (the class separation) is WAY too big. In the U.S., the class separation (if you want to call it that) is something like $40,000 difference. In India, it's $70,000 or so. People who can afford to go to college don't need the scholarships. Those who don't have the money (the ones who do need the scholarships), don't have money to hardly buy anything with the day's wages. If you were the country's leader, would you pour money into something to help the rich get richer and let the poor get poorer?

nik


The college education in India is way cheaper. Most of it is subsidized by the government.

Then why aren't more people going??

...because they can't afford it anyway.

nik
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Shantanu
ffmcobalt: You, sir, are a racist twit whose talking out of his ass. Please don't crap on this thread any further, until you have at least some understanding of the issues.

Unlike Sub-Saharan Africa, the majority of poor people in India do in fact get enough food to eat. So I don't understand where all this misguided "FEED THE PEOPLE, MAN" bullsh|t is coming from.

IIRC, back in the 1960's, there were riots day and night in American cities. Entire portions of Los Angeles and Detroit burned to the ground. 10% of the population couldn't vote because of their skin color. There was a war in Vietnam. There were still poor people in the U.S. back then, as there are now. Not everyone got enough food to eat. Not everyone who wanted to go to school or college was able to.

Yet in spite of all that, the U.S. still spent billions of dollars to send a man to the moon. All that money was spent at the expense of social spending.

And you know what? It was money well spent. There are always going to be social problems, and wealth redistribution has never solved them. The only solution to social problems is to create economic opportunities for the people.

$85million on this program can lead to billions or more in FDI. How is that not money well spent?

Racist? How am I being racist!? :confused: :| What racist comments have I made? Oh that's right, NONE. :|

oh, an danother goddamn thing, you fscker: never did I sai that my own government was perfect. Hell, I even bashed it earlier in the thread, you prick.

nik
 

Shantanu

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FFMcobalt: Have you ever been to India before? Do you anything about the history of India? The Government? The people? The culture?

"Yeah, umm... I reckon they's a bunch'a starvin' sand awesome people."

That's right. STFU :p
 

HombrePequeno

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Then why aren't more people going??

...because they can't afford it anyway.

No, it's because there aren't enough jobs for them when they get out of college. Why spend thousands of dollars on education when there aren't any jobs for well educated people?

Edit: Actually quite a few Indians go to college. They just have to go to other countries to find jobs. In fact, a lot of them come to the US.

ffmcobalt: You, sir, are a racist twit whose talking out of his ass. Please don't crap on this thread any further, until you have at least some understanding of the issues.

Unlike Sub-Saharan Africa, the majority of poor people in India do in fact get enough food to eat. So I don't understand where all this misguided "FEED THE PEOPLE, MAN" bullsh|t is coming from.

IIRC, back in the 1960's, there were riots day and night in American cities. Entire portions of Los Angeles and Detroit burned to the ground. 10% of the population couldn't vote because of their skin color. There was a war in Vietnam. There were still poor people in the U.S. back then, as there are now. Not everyone got enough food to eat. Not everyone who wanted to go to school or college was able to.

Yet in spite of all that, the U.S. still spent billions of dollars to send a man to the moon. All that money was spent at the expense of social spending.

And you know what? It was money well spent. There are always going to be social problems, and wealth redistribution has never solved them. The only solution to social problems is to create economic opportunities for the people.

$85million on this program can lead to billions or more in FDI. How is that not money well spent?

Boy, that one came out of left field!
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Shantanu
FFMcobalt: Have you ever been to India before? Do you anything about the history of India? The Government? The people? The culture?

"Yeah, umm... I reckon they's a bunch'a starvin' sand awesome people."

That's right. STFU :p

WTF.... okay, I'm out of this conversation. I stated my opinion and now am being called a racist bastard. You fscks can have it your way.

nik
 
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Guys, some of you are unable to see the good that this will bring to india. First india could use it for ICBM's but at this point there is no need to. India has been launching satellites for a while now and they could have easily built a ICBM from the SLV3 Series (their first generation launch vehicel) but they havent. Infact India has remote sensing satelites that are used no only by India but by the rest of the world. They sell their "satellite imagery" to out countries who do not have satellites of their own. They have built there own telecommunication infrastructure and stuff with satellites. While they do have a spy satellite up there (they dont normally mention it) the fact remains that the moon launch will be a technological demonstrator.

Plus what India wants to do is put a permernent satellite over moon. Which if I am right hasnt been done. The US did put a mapping satellite but I am not sure if its still there. You say why the moon. Well there is a lot that hasnt been studied about the moon especially the dark side of the moon that never faces us.

Anyway you guys go poverty and things.. What you dont realise here in the US we have poverty and the goverment does it thing about food stamps and welfare (which have been renamed something else now). The point is india has that too but in a limited way. YOu do not know enough of the workings on the indian side to comment on something you have never experienced. Poor Students are given goverment financial help and there is a goverment mandate for poor kids to go to school for free until age 14 or 16 (10th grade). For poor families there is TUCS which subsidies rice, sugar, wheat, oil - basically the commodidites.

Remember poor = relativity based. Most poor people wont have a car, but they have a bicycle. The fact is that if they have a bicycle they are rich enough. Unlike here where the car is the demarkation line. While yes there are starving people in some places. But its not like all of india has that problem.

I suggest you go to india sometime in your life. While yeah if your white you will have to contend with beggars begging for money (depends on where you go you may not even see them). The point is you got to experience something before you make a comment.

By the way india does have a rocket launch location in southern india - its called "Sriharikota". Its just north of madras (chennai) by about 100 kms or so. Sriharikota is surrounded by the pulicat lake. During the monsoon season you cant go in cause the roads are flooded and it becomes a island. Most of the time the water is low enough that the road is exposed. I have been to sriharikota a few times before to see rocket launches. Most indians wont get to go there but I did because my dad's well known among the international space agencies. He has worked with NASA, ISRO, Ariane etc etc.

Rocket launch to the moon will definately be good for India and rest of the world. Remember the US isnt the only tech place in teh world. The people here must remember your not "providing" the world with technology and stuff. The world on its on has developed things. You got to appreciate local cultures of a place before pushing popular culture onto a place.

Edit:

Someone mentioned why nobody goes to Indian schools. Might I let you know the high standard of education in india. Just go to the Microsoft Campus and you will see batches of students from the Indian Institute of Technology of (Madras/Bombay/New Delhi/Kanpur/Khargpur/Gawhati) - Also known as IIT. Microsoft for years has been coming to India and to these univs to select their next set of programmers. Intel has been taking some of their fab plants. Indian students on the professional level are very well educated and hence preferred over local finds (plus they can pay the indian people a little lesser while the visa sets in). The point is while there arent that many excellent colleges in India the fact remains there is high competition to get into those good colleges and even to get into a college there is competition. Why do you think I came here after 12th. I said screw studying for 2 years for the JEE Exam for IIT system. The IIT System is one of the best set of education out there. It will still come out cheaper for you to go to an IIT than to go to a UC school here. You can enter the IIT system based on SAT but be ready the courses are much much harder than here.


 

Bluga

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Originally posted by: Rallispec
what do they have to gain from going to the moon?


seems like a waste of money that could be much better spent on the people of india.

 

zzzz

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Well there is a lot that hasnt been studied about the moon especially the dark side of the moon that never faces us.
There is no Dark Side of the Moon, In fact both the sides are dark.
 
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Originally posted by: zzzz
Well there is a lot that hasnt been studied about the moon especially the dark side of the moon that never faces us.
There is no Dark Side of the Moon, In fact both the sides are dark.

huh?

How can both sides be dark.

ANyway we only see one side of the moon all the time. The other side we never get to see lit up.
 

calbear2000

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Shantanu
ffmcobalt: You, sir, are a racist twit whose talking out of his ass. Please don't crap on this thread any further, until you have at least some understanding of the issues.

Unlike Sub-Saharan Africa, the majority of poor people in India do in fact get enough food to eat. So I don't understand where all this misguided "FEED THE PEOPLE, MAN" bullsh|t is coming from.

IIRC, back in the 1960's, there were riots day and night in American cities. Entire portions of Los Angeles and Detroit burned to the ground. 10% of the population couldn't vote because of their skin color. There was a war in Vietnam. There were still poor people in the U.S. back then, as there are now. Not everyone got enough food to eat. Not everyone who wanted to go to school or college was able to.

Yet in spite of all that, the U.S. still spent billions of dollars to send a man to the moon. All that money was spent at the expense of social spending.

And you know what? It was money well spent. There are always going to be social problems, and wealth redistribution has never solved them. The only solution to social problems is to create economic opportunities for the people.

$85million on this program can lead to billions or more in FDI. How is that not money well spent?

Racist? How am I being racist!? :confused: :| What racist comments have I made? Oh that's right, NONE. :|

oh, an danother goddamn thing, you fscker: never did I sai that my own government was perfect. Hell, I even bashed it earlier in the thread, you prick.

nik


Don't worry nik... shantanu has a history of coming into any thread regarding Indians and accusing people of being racist. All the while posting racist remarks himself. Its a form of low self-esteem and ethnic insecurity masked behind national pride.



 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: rgwalt


I agree. Colonizing the moon to relieve population stress is not the solution India needs. Putting a permanent colony on the moon is a technical challenge beyond even the US's capabilities.

Ryan


I question the validity of that statement. Lunar Colonization would be more feasible for the US than the Defense Missile Shield.


 

HombrePequeno

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I question the validity of that statement. Lunar Colonization would be more feasible for the US than the Defense Missile Shield.

It would definitely be more feasible if NASA was given 4% of the US budget like it was given back in the 1960s.