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POLL: If you drive 80mph on the freeway, are you breaking the law? EDIT: UPDATED WITH ANSWER!

yhelothar

Lifer
Given that the traffic was light enough and the weather/visibility/road conditions permits you to do so safely.


Edit after 3:17 on the poll:
How many of you that voted illegal actually had a speeding ticket and spent the time to look up the law before bending over and taking it up the azz. 😉

I was fined with CVC 22349(a) a month ago after driving 80mph on a near empty freeway at 11:40PM, coincidently it was the last day of the month(ticket quotas?).
I looked up exactly what the code stated:
"The speed of any vehicle upon a highway in excess of the prima facie speed limits...or established as authorized in this code (includes the 65mph max speed limit) is prima facie unlawful unless the defendant establishes by competent evidence that the speed in excess of said limits did not constitute a violation of the basic speed law at the time, place, and under the conditions then existing."

Then I looked up what the "basic speed law" says:
"No person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable or prudent having due regard for weather, visibility, the traffic on, and the surface and width of the highway, and in no event at a speed which endangers the safety of persons or property."

So according to the law, it was indeed legal for me to drive 80mph on an empty freeway at 11:45PM
Presented the facts of my case to the judge and got off scott free 🙂
 
i think the only time you are not risking a ticket is during rush hour when everyone is going 80. speeding in light traffic is begging for a ticket.
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
i think the only time you are not risking a ticket is during rush hour when everyone is going 80. speeding in light traffic is begging for a ticket.

Ironic as that's the safest time to speed.
 
Originally posted by: Sraaz
Then wouldn't logic point to >65 being illegal? 😕

Nope. Logic would say that 80 is legal if it's safe as laws are there to keep people from doing unsafe things. So if it's safe, then it should be legal.
 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Sraaz
Then wouldn't logic point to >65 being illegal? 😕

Nope. Logic would say that 80 is legal if it's safe as laws are there to keep people from doing unsafe things. So if it's safe, then it should be legal.

How does logic say that laws are to keep people from doing unsafe things? 😕

Pirating software isn't too dangerous.. 😛
 
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Sraaz
Then wouldn't logic point to >65 being illegal? 😕

Nope. Logic would say that 80 is legal if it's safe as laws are there to keep people from doing unsafe things. So if it's safe, then it should be legal.

How does logic say that laws are to keep people from doing unsafe things? 😕

Pirating software isn't too dangerous.. 😛

Unsafe things or things that cause others harm. 😉
Unless it's a victimless crime, then it's debateable if it actually should even be a law.
 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Sraaz
Then wouldn't logic point to >65 being illegal? 😕

Nope. Logic would say that 80 is legal if it's safe as laws are there to keep people from doing unsafe things. So if it's safe, then it should be legal.

How does logic say that laws are to keep people from doing unsafe things? 😕

Pirating software isn't too dangerous.. 😛

Unsafe things or things that cause others harm. 😉
Unless it's a victimless crime, then it's debateable if it actually should even be a law.

Whether it should or should not be a law is irrelevant to your original question. 😉
 
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Sraaz
Then wouldn't logic point to >65 being illegal? 😕

Nope. Logic would say that 80 is legal if it's safe as laws are there to keep people from doing unsafe things. So if it's safe, then it should be legal.

How does logic say that laws are to keep people from doing unsafe things? 😕

Pirating software isn't too dangerous.. 😛

Unsafe things or things that cause others harm. 😉
Unless it's a victimless crime, then it's debateable if it actually should even be a law.

Whether it should or should not be a law is irrelevant to your original question. 😉

Not saying it is. 😉
 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Sraaz
Then wouldn't logic point to >65 being illegal? 😕

Nope. Logic would say that 80 is legal if it's safe as laws are there to keep people from doing unsafe things. So if it's safe, then it should be legal.

How does logic say that laws are to keep people from doing unsafe things? 😕

Pirating software isn't too dangerous.. 😛

Unsafe things or things that cause others harm. 😉
Unless it's a victimless crime, then it's debateable if it actually should even be a law.

tell the judge that when you go into pay your speeding fine...
 
It's illegal; this of course means that when I speed, I'm making a conscious decision to do so, and take full responsibility for it.
 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: j00fek
is anything legal anymore?

Yes, driving 80mph on the freeway in my state under safe conditions is 😉

Fixed that for you. You need to remember that the majority of people responding to this do not live in California.
 
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: j00fek
is anything legal anymore?

Yes, driving 80mph on the freeway in my state under safe conditions is 😉

Fixed that for you. You need to remember that the majority of people responding to this do not live in California.

True, but I bet most states share the same law.
 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: j00fek
is anything legal anymore?

Yes, driving 80mph on the freeway in my state under safe conditions is 😉

Fixed that for you. You need to remember that the majority of people responding to this do not live in California.

True, but I bet most states share the same law.

Mine does not, I just searched the code.
 
Actually, that was my defense for the speeding ticket I received for going 88 in a 55 mph on a deserted 3 lane highway at 2am in the morning. The judge did not altogether dismiss the ticket but dropped the penalty to a 65 in a 55.
 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
the law, it was indeed legal for me to drive 80mph on an empty freeway at 11:45PM
Presented the facts of my case to the judge and got off scott free 🙂

I call BS. Show copies of court docs and ruling. In any case, it varies state to state, so ymmv.

 
Originally posted by: J0hnny
Actually, that was my defense for the speeding ticket I received for going 88 in a 55 mph on a deserted 3 lane highway at 2am in the morning. The judge did not altogether dismiss the ticket but dropped the penalty to a 65 in a 55.

Sucks. 88mph in a 55 area is much more dramatic than 80 in a 65 though.
 
Originally posted by: dman
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
the law, it was indeed legal for me to drive 80mph on an empty freeway at 11:45PM
Presented the facts of my case to the judge and got off scott free 🙂

I call BS. Show copies of court docs and ruling. In any case, it varies state to state, so ymmv.

I wish I could show you.. I really do. But I contested the ticket by mail, and they sent me back a check for the fine that I paid, and I already cashed in the check/threw away the envelope.
 
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