Poll: If you dislike Bush and his admin. do you at least believe he is acting in the best interest of the country?

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Craig234

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John, stop putting words in people's mouths. The poll asks whether he's acting in what he thinks are the best interests of the nation - but you are inventing out of nothing the claim that the only alternative is his 'own' interests. That oversimplifies and distorts the issue of what his 'real' agenda is. It's not some simple cash in his pocket agenda.

This board seems to have some really sharp members, and it's good to see that two thirds recognize that his agenda is not putting what's best for the nation first.

Our nation has become a corporatocracy, with the republican party hired hands, their obligations to recruit enough votes with sophisticated marketing, financial dominance, pandering to key groups who will not object to the corporate agenda such as the religious right, to get power. Bush does that, as does most of the modern republican party's leaders.

All you need to understand this is to look at what their absolute top domestic priorities were, from the tax borrowing for the wealthy, to the hundreds of billions of windfall profit medicare drug bill not allowing the government to negotiate prices, to the energy industry subsidy bill giving tens of billions to that industry, to the bankruptcy reform bill.

Take that last one - it was literally written by the credit card financial industry, and every fair analaysis I've seen of it says its sole purpose is to put more money in the pockets of those companies, at the expense of some of the most desperate citizens; most bankrupties are the result of devastating medical bills.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Craig234
John, stop putting words in people's mouths. The poll asks whether he's acting in what he thinks are the best interests of the nation - but you are inventing out of nothing the claim that the only alternative is his 'own' interests. That oversimplifies and distorts the issue of what his 'real' agenda is. It's not some simple cash in his pocket agenda.

This board seems to have some really sharp members, and it's good to see that two thirds recognize that his agenda is not putting what's best for the nation first.

Our nation has become a corporatocracy, with the republican party hired hands, their obligations to recruit enough votes with sophisticated marketing, financial dominance, pandering to key groups who will not object to the corporate agenda such as the religious right, to get power. Bush does that, as does most of the modern republican party's leaders.

All you need to understand this is to look at what their absolute top domestic priorities were, from the tax borrowing for the wealthy, to the hundreds of billions of windfall profit medicare drug bill not allowing the government to negotiate prices, to the energy industry subsidy bill giving tens of billions to that industry, to the bankruptcy reform bill.

Take that last one - it was literally written by the credit card financial industry, and every fair analaysis I've seen of it says its sole purpose is to put more money in the pockets of those companies, at the expense of some of the most desperate citizens; most bankrupties are the result of devastating medical bills.
The question is not "Is Bush acting in the best interests of the country?" Craig.

Read it "I dislike Bush but do not believe he is doing what he believes is best for the country"

The thread title is "do you at least believe he is acting in the best interest of the country: From his own view."

Do you think that Bush is not acting in what HE thinks is the best interest of the country? Whether he is right or wrong can be argued. But can you not admit that Bush believes he is doing what is best, at least in his own mind?
 

Craig234

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Well, John, I see my instruction was not followed:

John, stop putting words in people's mouths.

Here's what I said:

The poll asks whether he's acting in what he thinks are the best interests of the nation

And here are the words you put in my mouth that I did not say:

The question is not "Is Bush acting in the best interests of the country?" Craig.

Read it "I dislike Bush but do not believe he is doing what he believes is best for the country"

So, you 'correct' my post to say that the right statement is exactly what I had said to begin with.

I'll assume that while you did not say it, what you are objecting to is that some of my post was about what is good for the country, rather than what Bush thinks is good for the country.

The point is, Bush is serving special interests and not the main country on his top priorities - on smaller issues he's happy to get political points - and he knows he's serving those interests rather than the nation's, IMO.

That's how it works. If you want the sponsorship of the corporatocracy, you serve their agenda. The only relevance in the political system of cute little things like the religious right's agenda is those issues' ability to get the votes for the people who have the corporatist agenda.

That's why we have so many millions spent in 'herding the sheep', identifying the 'hot button' issues, creating the 'hot button issues', influencing public opinion with the two-part system, the think tanks to identify the policies and the sales pitches, and the media machine to get them to the consumer-voters.

Bush knows quite well the agenda he's serving and while he may rationalize that some of it's good for the nation, he knows that that's a secondary concern. When the drug bill was written, and it was decided whether or not to let the government negotiate prices, with $150 profits at stake, do you think they acted in the nation's insterest in the policy?

No, it was 'you paid for representation, and you will get it', to the drug industry. That's what Rick Santorum has been running for six years, the 'pay to play' system requiring corporate interests to pony up the cash and to not donate to democrats, in exchange for all kinds of favors - their lobbyists put in oversight positions, their getting to write laws, etc.

More and more it's a big machine, where the candidates, approved by the national committee, are expected to vote the corporatist agenda, in exchange for which they get the national party campaign support and a piece of the pie for their district and donors. Bush and they know they are putting the nation's interests second.

To them, they feel no more guilt about that than Chevy does about beating Ford - they see the whole system as one big game to win, and their side wins, so woo hoo.

They aren't concerned that damaging social security would hurt the needy; they're concerned that the social security program creates political loyalth with old peple for the democrats, so they want it gone. They see is as a great opportunity as a wedge issue between the young and the old, and as an opportunity for huge money for their Wall Street donors.

How are the republicans going to get young voters? Tax cuts no, gay marriage no, free trade no, terrorist scares no - they'll get young people furious at the older generation who is going to need such vast money from the young directed their way, and offer the young people a 'solution', turning them against the democrats.

This is why it's the #1 political priority for republicans, after the tax borrowing.
 

ericlp

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Bush is an idiot. How can anyone in the Right or Left mind, say that they can communicate with god and have a "best interest" in mind?

John, answer your own question, if he was making decisions on his own for the best interest of you or I, do you really think he could have screwed up this bad? Are you really that brain washed?

Sorry but, letting a make believe man in the sky help you make your choice is not in my best interest. Might as well be playing Russian roulette.