Poll: If UFC was around when Bruce Lee was in his prime - how would he do?

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: astrocase
No, I haven't seen every UFC match, but why do we never see these guys use pressure points? Killing arms and legs for example. I see them beat on the other guy's legs but what I want to see is the guy who kicks and when the guy blocks he hits a pressure point rendering the guys leg useless. This is where the stand up guys could really entertain us.

This is because preassure points just dont work.

 

[mooncancook]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: sunzt
Bruce would own, why?

Bruce is trained to bite, eye-gouge, and kill a man's babies

Gracie would still be trying to shoot and perform submission holds while his eyes are gouged out.....

UFC != real fighting.

I believe the thread asked who would win in UFC

some rules of UFC:
NO
Eye gouging of any kind
Groin attacks of any kind
Small joint manipulation
Throat strikes of any kind

those rule and the ring might handicap Bruce Lee somewhat, but I don't know if Gracie could dodge Lee's strikes. Getting hit in the head by Bruce Lee is no joke.
If it's a free street fight then Bruce Lee will certainly win with a simple "nut cracker" strike

 

[Buck Naked]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Tony Jaa vs Bruce Lee, who wins?

Tony Jaa

 

[CalvinHobbs]

was watching the one inch punch clip, being able to inject so much venom in a punch by moving your arm such a small distance is no small feat,
man i wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that...this thread has been very informative, now will check some of the things stated

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Overriding factor IMO is that bruce Lee looked like a guy with an army of personal demons. When you're trying to get yourself psyched to go bludgeon a guy unconscious, that would come in handy.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: mooncancook

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: sunzt
Bruce would own, why?

Bruce is trained to bite, eye-gouge, and kill a man's babies

Gracie would still be trying to shoot and perform submission holds while his eyes are gouged out.....

UFC != real fighting.

I believe the thread asked who would win in UFC

some rules of UFC:
NO
Eye gouging of any kind
Groin attacks of any kind
Small joint manipulation
Throat strikes of any kind

those rule and the ring might handicap Bruce Lee somewhat, but I don't know if Gracie could dodge Lee's strikes. Getting hit in the head by Bruce Lee is no joke.
If it's a free street fight then Bruce Lee will certainly win with a simple "nut cracker" strike

Umm, how are you going to eye gouge or attack the nuts when you are in an inferior position? Have you ever grappled?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Ok if Bruce Lee lived forever and trained, he would have learned BJJ and would beat Gracie but you guys are retarded.

Bruce Lee in his prime had certain skills

Gracie in his prime had certain skills

Gracie's skills were unknown to Lee. Lee never saw them. On the other hand, Gracie fought many many standup fighters. Yeah they were better at the standup game but Gracie took every fight to the ground. There are easy ways to protect yourself in the standup game if you are that much superior on the ground.

Gracie would win easily

Technique > strength

Now if Bruce trained in BJJ then his athleticism would have been an advantage and he would own Gracie.

It is just a fact that BJJ > Jeet Kune Do(during Lee's lifetime)

but JKD did have grappling.....

During Lee's lifetime, the grappling had nothing that could compete with the skills in BJJ.

Just look at the early UFC. I wish people would look at history. Submission Wrestling and BJJ OWNED UFC in the early years. Standup fighters were dominated and controled.

Since you know UFC history so well, which of those standup fighters were top-tiered? Where are the ranked boxers or ranked thai fighters?

Minoki Ichihara was considered an excellent fighter outside of UFC.

I guess, but again, he wasn't top tiered. Incidentally, he also put up a better fight against Gracie than most of the other UFC fighters.

Ron van Clief won MANY martial arts competitions outside of UFC.

Well, i mean people who actually could put up a good fight. The guy was over 50 at the time.

There were not many Muay Thai fighters in UFC early days. Muay Thai and BJJ are essential today for every fighter.

The question was, why weren't there any real MT fighters in UFC when Gracies was top?

But if we are talking strictly Muay Thai versus BJJ match. I will take BJJ any day of the week. The fact is that everyone cross trains.

There is a reason almost EVERYONE in MMA trains in BJJ, without it, you lose.

Well yeah. The point i was making was WHY the Gracies were dominant in the UFC far so long. They were bringing in mediocre fighters into their own playing field. The moment real fighters, both MMAs and standup fighters got in, they started getting schooled. If they had brought in real fighters in the beginning, whether they did ground fighting or not, it would have been different. There would actually have been successful standup fighters.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: michaels
He would get his ass beat by a well rounded fighter from today. People get way to caught up in choregraphed and staged movie fights.

Exactly. Nobody fights that fast for real. You can do your moves a lot faster if all you've practiced the exact same sequence for hours on end.

Why? Because in a fight, your punches and kicks are somehow slowed down?

Because in a real fight you have to defend yourself and react to your opponent. In a stage demo, you know exactly what to do when.

That's bull. The choreograph would have been quicker, but your abilities are just as quick. Just like somebody who trains 6 months acts quicker than somebody who never did... somebody who trained 5 years would be quicker than the person who trained 6 months. You obviously don't really understand how martial arts work. The point to MA is that you train something to the point that it becomes intuitive to you, so that it becomes a reflex. If somebody punches you, you don't think i'm going to block that with my left arm... it becomes a reflex and you do. It's not like a videogame where you plan ahead you're going to do such and such combo.

 

[mooncancook]

Umm, how are you going to eye gouge or attack the nuts when you are in an inferior position? Have you ever grappled?

Don't you have to get within your opponent's striking range before you can grapple?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: mooncancook

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: sunzt
Bruce would own, why?

Bruce is trained to bite, eye-gouge, and kill a man's babies

Gracie would still be trying to shoot and perform submission holds while his eyes are gouged out.....

UFC != real fighting.

I believe the thread asked who would win in UFC

some rules of UFC:
NO
Eye gouging of any kind
Groin attacks of any kind
Small joint manipulation
Throat strikes of any kind

those rule and the ring might handicap Bruce Lee somewhat, but I don't know if Gracie could dodge Lee's strikes. Getting hit in the head by Bruce Lee is no joke.
If it's a free street fight then Bruce Lee will certainly win with a simple "nut cracker" strike

Umm, how are you going to eye gouge or attack the nuts when you are in an inferior position? Have you ever grappled?

You have got to be kidding. Unless the 'inferior position' is pinning both your arms and submitting you, you can easily do it. In fact, there is a Pride fighter, i can't remember his name... chubby bald guy that grabs people's nuts when he's put in a submission.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: michaels
He would get his ass beat by a well rounded fighter from today. People get way to caught up in choregraphed and staged movie fights.

Exactly. Nobody fights that fast for real. You can do your moves a lot faster if all you've practiced the exact same sequence for hours on end.

Why? Because in a fight, your punches and kicks are somehow slowed down?

Because in a real fight you have to defend yourself and react to your opponent. In a stage demo, you know exactly what to do when.

That's bull. The choreograph would have been quicker, but your abilities are just as quick. Just like somebody who trains 6 months acts quicker than somebody who never did... somebody who trained 5 years would be quicker than the person who trained 6 months. You obviously don't really understand how martial arts work. The point to MA is that you train something to the point that it becomes intuitive to you, so that it becomes a reflex. If somebody punches you, you don't think i'm going to block that with my left arm... it becomes a reflex and you do. It's not like a videogame where you plan ahead you're going to do such and such combo.

Whats your MMA record? How long have you been training in combat sports? You obviously have not been in a fight. Its not like chess, I dont attack then you defend. Things dont work out as planned. You have to read your oppoent, you have to be ok with getting hit, and you have to have some luck. I'm not saying I stand around saying, Ok i'm gonna go in with this attack and then this etc. But I have to stalk my opponent. I have to look for openings, and I have to be ready to defend myself if he chooses to attack. I just can't go balls to the wall like I can if I was doing a dance routine (which is what most people think martial arts are). Its about timing and resistance.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: mooncancook

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: sunzt
Bruce would own, why?

Bruce is trained to bite, eye-gouge, and kill a man's babies

Gracie would still be trying to shoot and perform submission holds while his eyes are gouged out.....

UFC != real fighting.

I believe the thread asked who would win in UFC

some rules of UFC:
NO
Eye gouging of any kind
Groin attacks of any kind
Small joint manipulation
Throat strikes of any kind

those rule and the ring might handicap Bruce Lee somewhat, but I don't know if Gracie could dodge Lee's strikes. Getting hit in the head by Bruce Lee is no joke.
If it's a free street fight then Bruce Lee will certainly win with a simple "nut cracker" strike

Umm, how are you going to eye gouge or attack the nuts when you are in an inferior position? Have you ever grappled?

You have got to be kidding. Unless the 'inferior position' is pinning both your arms and submitting you, you can easily do it. In fact, there is a Pride fighter, i can't remember his name... chubby bald guy that grabs people's nuts when he's put in a submission.

I've had people try. It doesnt' work as well as it sounds. When I'm in the mount, you can't reach my nuts becuase I am too far up for you to have a good reach (aka legs under the amrpits) or be, I'm too low (all my weight on you with hooks sunk in the legs). If you go for my eyes you are going to get armbared. You can think about reaching for my nuts while I drop elbows on your face all you want.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: mooncancook

Umm, how are you going to eye gouge or attack the nuts when you are in an inferior position? Have you ever grappled?

Don't you have to get within your opponent's striking range before you can grapple?

Unfortuantly its a lot harder to keep a fight standing then it is to take someone down. Its about timing and closing the distance. Its really hard to kick a guy when he shoots, its really hard to do damange to a guy who is trained to clinch. And its really hard to keep a fight standing when one guy wants it to go down. Yes they have to get in your striking range, but you guys think the gracies have never been punched in the face before?

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Ok if Bruce Lee lived forever and trained, he would have learned BJJ and would beat Gracie but you guys are retarded.

Bruce Lee in his prime had certain skills

Gracie in his prime had certain skills

Gracie's skills were unknown to Lee. Lee never saw them. On the other hand, Gracie fought many many standup fighters. Yeah they were better at the standup game but Gracie took every fight to the ground. There are easy ways to protect yourself in the standup game if you are that much superior on the ground.

Gracie would win easily

Technique > strength

Now if Bruce trained in BJJ then his athleticism would have been an advantage and he would own Gracie.

It is just a fact that BJJ > Jeet Kune Do(during Lee's lifetime)

but JKD did have grappling.....

During Lee's lifetime, the grappling had nothing that could compete with the skills in BJJ.

Just look at the early UFC. I wish people would look at history. Submission Wrestling and BJJ OWNED UFC in the early years. Standup fighters were dominated and controled.

Since you know UFC history so well, which of those standup fighters were top-tiered? Where are the ranked boxers or ranked thai fighters?

Minoki Ichihara was considered an excellent fighter outside of UFC.

I guess, but again, he wasn't top tiered. Incidentally, he also put up a better fight against Gracie than most of the other UFC fighters.

Ron van Clief won MANY martial arts competitions outside of UFC.

Well, i mean people who actually could put up a good fight. The guy was over 50 at the time.

There were not many Muay Thai fighters in UFC early days. Muay Thai and BJJ are essential today for every fighter.

The question was, why weren't there any real MT fighters in UFC when Gracies was top?

But if we are talking strictly Muay Thai versus BJJ match. I will take BJJ any day of the week. The fact is that everyone cross trains.

There is a reason almost EVERYONE in MMA trains in BJJ, without it, you lose.

Well yeah. The point i was making was WHY the Gracies were dominant in the UFC far so long. They were bringing in mediocre fighters into their own playing field. The moment real fighters, both MMAs and standup fighters got in, they started getting schooled. If they had brought in real fighters in the beginning, whether they did ground fighting or not, it would have been different. There would actually have been successful standup fighters.

I suggest you watch some vale tudo fights from brazil. Rent the movie choke and learn there is more to MMA then UFC. The gracies have fought real fighters, and they won. The problem isn't that they brought in poor fighters. The problem is royce is the worst of the gracies skill wise and current fighters are well rounded in both striking and ground work. Current fighters have adapted. A expert boxer would still fail in a MMA event.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
bruce easily...royce is great on the ground, but as sabukura showed, as long as you can keep him on his feet he's SOL

edit: also a well rounded fighter would pwn

Sabukura has experience that Lee never had. We are talking about Lee skillset versus Gracie skillset in their prime. Lee had no skills to deal with Gracie. One of the reasons the Gracies were so successful in MMA at first. No one had any defenses for it. Lee has no defense for it.

No, one of the reasons why the Gracies were so successful in MMA at first was because you had top ground fighters fighting mediocre people who thought they knew ninjutsu or that sumo wrestling would be good at no-holds bar fighting. The Gracies were good, but they were good because that was what they did. They spent decades doing Vale Tudo. But ask yourselves why weren't there any VT or top shootfighters in the early UFCs?

As for all fights eventually end on the ground... yeah, they do, because eventually one guy loses, and he goes down. But if you mean all fights end up as ground fighting, that's bull. Most fights end up grappling though, which starts with one person grabbing the other's arm or shirt, but most styles teach defense of that and how to take advantage of it. But nobody in their right mind would want to go on the ground in a street fight. Unlike the ring, you can have somebody else jump you. Or if you try to do a choke, but you're only able to do it halfassed, he can take a nice big chomp out of your arm.

And Bruce Lee did include ground fighting in JKD incase it did come to that. So if you're talking about Lee as he was back then versus Gracie as he is now, in the ring, yeah, there's a chance Gracie would win. In a street fight? Do you think Gracie could have choked him out in 5 secs or less? Because if he didn't, i guarantee you that Gracie would be missing an eye, have his ear torn off, or a big chomp on his arm. If you read any of Bruce's books, you would know he advocated that in a fight, it's a life or death situation, and you do everything you can to survive.

But in UFC, i would think Bruce Lee would have evolved his method to adapt to it. That was his legacy. He broke the mold of traditional MA, and incorporated anything he found that was useful, whether it was kung fu, western boxing, phillipino fighting sticks, etc etc. Haven't you ever heard of his 'be like water' quote? Don't get set into one form, adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water.

QFT

 

[astrocase]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: astrocase
No, I haven't seen every UFC match, but why do we never see these guys use pressure points? Killing arms and legs for example. I see them beat on the other guy's legs but what I want to see is the guy who kicks and when the guy blocks he hits a pressure point rendering the guys leg useless. This is where the stand up guys could really entertain us.

This is because preassure points just dont work.

Trust me they do.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: JS80
A lot of you don't understand the concept of Bruce Lee. A lot of you seem to put him down just because he was a film actor. Considering his size and weight, he was incredibly strong; what made him so powerful was his ability to harness all the energy his body could (Chi?) and more. That's how he was able to kick a punching bag 15 feet in the air. Strength is not all about muscle, but how you can harness it and release in one blow.

I have no clue who would win, but I would put my money on Bruce Lee.

LOL :roll: You obviously don't know too much about Bruce Lee, he was adamantly against all of that nonsense. He realized that martial arts is really just physics used to benefit fighting technique. What really made him so powerful was his training. He trained almost all the time.

To the underlined part. That is very true, but Bruce Lee was strong and well trained. Don't give me that Chi B.S. because even Bruce Lee thought that was hokey.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Ok if Bruce Lee lived forever and trained, he would have learned BJJ and would beat Gracie but you guys are retarded.

Bruce Lee in his prime had certain skills

Gracie in his prime had certain skills

Gracie's skills were unknown to Lee. Lee never saw them. On the other hand, Gracie fought many many standup fighters. Yeah they were better at the standup game but Gracie took every fight to the ground. There are easy ways to protect yourself in the standup game if you are that much superior on the ground.

Gracie would win easily

Technique > strength

Now if Bruce trained in BJJ then his athleticism would have been an advantage and he would own Gracie.

It is just a fact that BJJ > Jeet Kune Do(during Lee's lifetime)

but JKD did have grappling.....

During Lee's lifetime, the grappling had nothing that could compete with the skills in BJJ.

Just look at the early UFC. I wish people would look at history. Submission Wrestling and BJJ OWNED UFC in the early years. Standup fighters were dominated and controled.

Since you know UFC history so well, which of those standup fighters were top-tiered? Where are the ranked boxers or ranked thai fighters?

Minoki Ichihara was considered an excellent fighter outside of UFC.

I guess, but again, he wasn't top tiered. Incidentally, he also put up a better fight against Gracie than most of the other UFC fighters.

Ron van Clief won MANY martial arts competitions outside of UFC.

Well, i mean people who actually could put up a good fight. The guy was over 50 at the time.

There were not many Muay Thai fighters in UFC early days. Muay Thai and BJJ are essential today for every fighter.

The question was, why weren't there any real MT fighters in UFC when Gracies was top?

But if we are talking strictly Muay Thai versus BJJ match. I will take BJJ any day of the week. The fact is that everyone cross trains.

There is a reason almost EVERYONE in MMA trains in BJJ, without it, you lose.

Well yeah. The point i was making was WHY the Gracies were dominant in the UFC far so long. They were bringing in mediocre fighters into their own playing field. The moment real fighters, both MMAs and standup fighters got in, they started getting schooled. If they had brought in real fighters in the beginning, whether they did ground fighting or not, it would have been different. There would actually have been successful standup fighters.

I suggest you watch some vale tudo fights from brazil. Rent the movie choke and learn there is more to MMA then UFC. The gracies have fought real fighters, and they won. The problem isn't that they brought in poor fighters. The problem is royce is the worst of the gracies skill wise and current fighters are well rounded in both striking and ground work. Current fighters have adapted. A expert boxer would still fail in a MMA event.

I've never seen choke, but i've seen VT fights. And if you read my earlier posts, i mentioned that. I know they did good in VT fights, i never said otherwise. My point was, WHY WEREN'T THERE VT OR SHOOTFIGHTERS in the first UFCs? That's why the Gracies dominated the first UFCs, because they top tier VT fighters fighting mediocre fighters. Man, you really need to learn to read and follow the thread line. I never said an expert boxer today would dominate MMA. Today, the SPORT is COMPLETELY different than it was 15 years ago, and you need to be well rounded. The points i was making was in response to why UFC was dominated by the Gracies and submissions fighters in the beginning.

As for Royce being the worst of the Gracies, LOL.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: astrocase
No, I haven't seen every UFC match, but why do we never see these guys use pressure points? Killing arms and legs for example. I see them beat on the other guy's legs but what I want to see is the guy who kicks and when the guy blocks he hits a pressure point rendering the guys leg useless. This is where the stand up guys could really entertain us.

This is because preassure points just dont work.

QFT. No one uses pressure points except when grappling and in a hold, and only then do they use major pressure point (like under the chin between the neck, under the armpit, on the elbow joint, and in the hand itself). Mostly the armpit and neck are used the most, and that is not frequent.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: mooncancook

Umm, how are you going to eye gouge or attack the nuts when you are in an inferior position? Have you ever grappled?

Don't you have to get within your opponent's striking range before you can grapple?

Unfortuantly its a lot harder to keep a fight standing then it is to take someone down. Its about timing and closing the distance. Its really hard to kick a guy when he shoots, its really hard to do damange to a guy who is trained to clinch. And its really hard to keep a fight standing when one guy wants it to go down. Yes they have to get in your striking range, but you guys think the gracies have never been punched in the face before?

Do you honestly think that the gracies have ever been punched by someone as skilled and as fast as Lee?

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: sourceninja
Umm, how are you going to eye gouge or attack the nuts when you are in an inferior position? Have you ever grappled?

Bruce Lee was an experienced grappler. I don't believe there is any proof that he was as good as any BJJ, and I don't think he was, but honestly with his strength and speed even a blocked blow could knock a person unconscious.

Do you know why Muay Thai boxers keep there hands up? Because some of them trained so hard in old times and calcified their legs so much that they can break your neck with a high kick if your hands aren't there to block it.

I would say the same goes for the power in one of Bruce Lee's kicks.

BTW Chuck Norris or Bruce Lee... because underneath that beard is another fist.

 

[Codewiz]

I like to get a good idea on all the people making these comments because I believe most of you are FOS.

I have been training in BJJ and Muay Thai for about 4 months. How about everyone else.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: michaels
He would get his ass beat by a well rounded fighter from today. People get way to caught up in choregraphed and staged movie fights.

Exactly. Nobody fights that fast for real. You can do your moves a lot faster if all you've practiced the exact same sequence for hours on end.

Why? Because in a fight, your punches and kicks are somehow slowed down?

Because in a real fight you have to defend yourself and react to your opponent. In a stage demo, you know exactly what to do when.

That's bull. The choreograph would have been quicker, but your abilities are just as quick. Just like somebody who trains 6 months acts quicker than somebody who never did... somebody who trained 5 years would be quicker than the person who trained 6 months. You obviously don't really understand how martial arts work. The point to MA is that you train something to the point that it becomes intuitive to you, so that it becomes a reflex. If somebody punches you, you don't think i'm going to block that with my left arm... it becomes a reflex and you do. It's not like a videogame where you plan ahead you're going to do such and such combo.

Whats your MMA record? How long have you been training in combat sports? You obviously have not been in a fight. Its not like chess, I dont attack then you defend. Things dont work out as planned. You have to read your oppoent, you have to be ok with getting hit, and you have to have some luck. I'm not saying I stand around saying, Ok i'm gonna go in with this attack and then this etc. But I have to stalk my opponent. I have to look for openings, and I have to be ready to defend myself if he chooses to attack. I just can't go balls to the wall like I can if I was doing a dance routine (which is what most people think martial arts are). Its about timing and resistance.

LOL you absolutely have no idea how real fights are, seriously. Stalk your opponent, looking for openings LOL

As for me, i can guaranteed with absolute certainty i've been in more fights than you. I'm not going to toot my own horn here, but i spent 3 years in prison and many years in street fights before that.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: mooncancook

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: sunzt
Bruce would own, why?

Bruce is trained to bite, eye-gouge, and kill a man's babies

Gracie would still be trying to shoot and perform submission holds while his eyes are gouged out.....

UFC != real fighting.

I believe the thread asked who would win in UFC

some rules of UFC:
NO
Eye gouging of any kind
Groin attacks of any kind
Small joint manipulation
Throat strikes of any kind

those rule and the ring might handicap Bruce Lee somewhat, but I don't know if Gracie could dodge Lee's strikes. Getting hit in the head by Bruce Lee is no joke.
If it's a free street fight then Bruce Lee will certainly win with a simple "nut cracker" strike

Umm, how are you going to eye gouge or attack the nuts when you are in an inferior position? Have you ever grappled?

You have got to be kidding. Unless the 'inferior position' is pinning both your arms and submitting you, you can easily do it. In fact, there is a Pride fighter, i can't remember his name... chubby bald guy that grabs people's nuts when he's put in a submission.

I've had people try. It doesnt' work as well as it sounds. When I'm in the mount, you can't reach my nuts becuase I am too far up for you to have a good reach (aka legs under the amrpits) or be, I'm too low (all my weight on you with hooks sunk in the legs). If you go for my eyes you are going to get armbared. You can think about reaching for my nuts while I drop elbows on your face all you want.

LOL dude, just because you have ninja in your username, it really doesn't make you one.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: mooncancook

Umm, how are you going to eye gouge or attack the nuts when you are in an inferior position? Have you ever grappled?

Don't you have to get within your opponent's striking range before you can grapple?

BJJ and some Asian Martial Arts will duck there head underneath there hand and charge into an attack, or pick the most opportune time right after a kick to rush in and tackle the guy. Because of training they will leg hold the person on the ground, and then it is a ground fight.

But the reasoning is flawed against Bruce Lee because he was incredibly fast and also his kicks were incredibly strong. Even a blocked blow would wind someone.