Poll: How likely are you to pay for a Linux distro?

Staples

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I can go on for several hours (skip to the third paragraph if you just want to read the question and skip my rant) about how I will never fully embrace Linux, not because it falls short of a great operating system (to some respects) but because it has sprung so many radical disciples in its trail. These guys make me sick with their attitude that everything is MS?s fault. They can?t accept that Linux is a lot less user friendly than Windows and as far as a great desktop environment and its application support, it is easy to understand why not very many people use it. So as usual, when the numbers come out which dictate that few people actually use Linux, they blame this on MS?s contract agreements with OEMs just like they do with any other shortfall that Linux encounters.

Another good example centers around the Microsoft Xbox. From the day the Xbox was released, many of the Linux geeks worked 24 hour days trying to crack the machine (which was recently cracked thanks to a game exploit, took them 18 months). What was their motivation? It was Microsoft?s baby of course and that meant that they had the obligatory objective of destroying it in effort to lessen MS?s profits. In the most apparent example, the CEO of Lindows (another shot at the Windows brand name) offered $200K to the first person who successfully ran Linux on the Xbox without the use of a mod chip. I used to think it was only the Linux geeks out there who had bad intentions but now that I see this CEO acting pretty immaturely about this issue that I kind of wonder if the Linux fanatic just consists of the people who are want to be?s and contribute nothing to Linux (except a good word) like I had always though or maybe they also include many of the people up the ranks on the Linux chain.

The aim of Linux used to be that it was free and of course that is what the Linux fanatics will tell you but that doesn?t seem to be the case anymore. Many Linux distribution companies are operating on razor edge margins and they make it hard to find a download page and do not exactly advertise that their product is free. And why is this? Because the fact is that they want you to buy it and they do not want to give it away free. I use Linux from time to time for servers and such but for most of the stuff that I do, Windows works just fine. Linux and these packaged distributions were and still are supposed to be free (no matter what the companies seem to think) so I don?t feel like I will ever pay a cent for them. If you do not want to work for free, then maybe they shouldn?t work on Linux projects because the symbol of Linux as I see it is a free and open source operating system and that goes for everything that runs on it. Should I feel like I should pay them anything for their efforts? My understanding is that if you work on an open source project, you agree and want to work for free.
 

minendo

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Many Linux distribution companies are operating on razor edge margins and they make it hard to find a download page and do not exactly advertise that their product is free
Never had any problems finding download pages for any distros myself.
 

notfred

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It's not good enough yet that I'd pay for it. And even if it was, I wouldn't as long as I can download the ISOs.
 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: notfred
It's not good enoguh yet that I'd pay for it. And even if it was, I wouldn't as long as I can downlaod the ISOs.

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Flatline

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Not all 'nix advocates bash microsoft, nor do all of them blame everything on microsoft.
 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: Flatline
Not all 'nix advocates bash microsoft, nor do all of them blame everything on microsoft.

I use what's best for the job.. each OS has it's own strengths
 

edmicman

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wtf i thought this was about some sco related thing where all the distros were gonna start charging something or other, or something along those lines. didn't realize it was a bash-linux rant. pssh why pay when its freely available as an open source ISO??
 

Rallispec

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when you pay for a linux distro--- you're not paying for the software.. you're paying for the documentation, the support, and the customer service that goes along with it, that you will nto get with a free version.
 

Flatline

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Ever notice that most of the people who rant about "ease of use" haven't used linux in a year or two? It also strikes me that for "software" what most people really mean is "games".
 

MegaloManiaK

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Windows 2000 server w/ 10 access licenses 1199$

Linux 0$

Ill spend my 1 1/2 mins looking for the download link to save 1200 bucks.

I do 100% agree with you about linux for sale, it started out as a fee for the support and the manuals but has taken off into a rippoff.

I would not pay for linux, because its free. But then again i will not pay for windows, and its not free.
 

Staples

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Originally posted by: edmicman
wtf i thought this was about some sco related thing where all the distros were gonna start charging something or other, or something along those lines. didn't realize it was a bash-linux rant. pssh why pay when its freely available as an open source ISO??

It isn't exactly a bash Linux thread as it is mostly a bash Linux geeks threads. Of course that was part of the rant (not really depedent on the thead subject), the qestion was do you feel the need and goodwill to pay for on OS that is supposed to be free?
 

beer

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No, the graphical interfaces just aren't very responsive. Period. KDE 3.1 is considerably slower than Windows XP. PERIOD. I think the linux projects need money to improve themselves. I'm sorry, I don't like having to work in counterintuitive ways. As far as I am concerned, Apple has the most intuitive OS, follow shortly by WinXP, and a long way back is Linux, considerably behind what NT 4.0 was. The same options are repeated in too many places and while Mandrake 9.1 is a step in the right direction it is still a long way to go. Nonetheless I paid $ 60 for Mandrake as my contribution to see it hopefully become usable, to some extent.

I don't mean 'games' when I say software either. There are certain things that are good about Linux, and a whole lot that I don't like. The first and foremost is that KDE feels so goddamn slow. Sure, someone else will tell me to use another Window manager besides KDE and Gnome but then I give up a whole lot of power and customization for something that is faster but a lot less stable. Second, the way everything is laid out is not very intuitive. Wherever I go I am considered to be a computer guy and when I have a hard time finding things in Linux I know something isn't right. Learning programming languages is easier than learn to use Linux.

Third, I don't understand why Linux geeks swear by text editors. I don't give a sh!t if its EMacs or Vi or Pico, I don't want to have to memorize 15 million key combinations to get something done. The same goes with the command line. I shouldn't have to go to a command prompt to do ANYTHING that I shouldn't be able to do graphically. I don't want to have to memorize command-line switches for 150 different commands that I use every day, nor do I want to have to deal with the command line any more than I have to. You may say I am not 'l33t' enough to use Linux but I am an EE and have made As in every single one of my programming classes and I work in IT when I'm not in school. I'm sorry, that kind of command-line memorization/shortcut-key knowledge was antiquated after WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS with my 286 that came with a little shortcut menu that you placed on top of your keyboard. OSX is a step in the right direction but it's bundled with sh!tty hardware for now at least. I don't understand the point in using software because it is 'free' or 'open source' when it is clearly inferior in so many ways to the alternatives. I'm done ranting for now I guess.
 

notfred

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Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Originally posted by: notfred
It's not good enoguh yet that I'd pay for it. And even if it was, I wouldn't as long as I can downlaod the ISOs.

rolleye.gif

What?


Do you feel that way about all unix-based OS's or just linux?

I haven't used all unix based OSes, so I can't tell you how I feel about them. I feel that way about linux. It's not good enough yet that I'd pay for it. I don't feel the same way about Mac OS X. OS X is a much more polished operating system.

Even little things, like the command line FTP client for mac OS X has a progress bar for uplaods and downloads. It also does filename completion. The one that comes with redhat doesn't do either of those things. Sure, I could probably find a replacement for the redhat client, but if I'm goign to pay for an OS, I'll take the one that already works how I want over the one that doesn't.
 

Staples

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Originally posted by: Flatline
Ever notice that most of the people who rant about "ease of use" haven't used linux in a year or two? It also strikes me that for "software" what most people really mean is "games".

Well my two complaints about most Linux software are

1) Seems to be that very few applications are polished. Most of the software is developed to do the bare minimum to get it working and that is about all, it doesn't have the options to configure it or do anything else than its primary purpose.
2) I guess this is somewhat part of the comment about it being polished but anyway, most programs have the ugliest interface that I have ever seen. No nice icons, the buttons and icons are always arranged in a weird fashion. Seems to be that most Linux developers do not have much artistic ability.
 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Originally posted by: notfred
It's not good enoguh yet that I'd pay for it. And even if it was, I wouldn't as long as I can downlaod the ISOs.

rolleye.gif

What?


Do you feel that way about all unix-based OS's or just linux?

I haven't used all unix based OSes, so I can't tell you how I feel about them. I feel that way about linux. It's not good enough yet that I'd pay for it. I don't feel the same way about Mac OS X. OS X is a much more polished operating system.

Even little things, like the command line FTP client for mac OS X has a progress bar for uplaods and downloads. It also does filename completion. The one that comes with redhat doesn't do either of those things. Sure, I could probably find a replacement for the redhat client, but if I'm goign to pay for an OS, I'll take the one that already works how I want over the one that doesn't.


Well you're talking about the GUI there, I suppose what you've said is fair though, OSX does have a very polished GUI. Do you ever use the CLI in OSX?
 

beer

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In addition to my rant above, I would like to address the whole permissions thing. Yes, I understand that it is important to have security. Yes, I realize root = god. But I hate having to manually set sh!t so I can write to such harmless directions as /usr. I don't want to keep having to login as root, set something, then log back off into my user. It's annoying. I don't want to have to logon and log back off to do something like set an IP address. In the Windows local/domain security policy, I just change something from 'no' to 'yes' and boom, it is done, I can do it as a restricted user. In Linux I have to find out what group I need to be in, launch the user manager, wait a minut while it opens, enter a goddamn root password to access it, find the group, add my user to the group, log back off and log back on. And if the GUIs didn't take upwards of 30 seconds to load I wouldn't be so bitter. Restrictive security has it's place, such as in a corporate domain. I shouldn't have to do it on a relatively unimportant single-user computer, but at the same time I don't want to always have the power of root. it just wastes time for no good reason. If someone wants to hack me to view my porn, more power to them.

But I do like certain concepts, such as the position of mount points. Too bad XP with NTFS lets me do just about everything, such as mountiny My Pictures or My Music to a seperate volume, without having to deal with the hassle of Linux.