POLL: Gaming with 2005FPW vs. 2001FP

[Aepheme]

Even though this probably comes down to whether or not your favorite games offer widescreen support or not, it would be nice to get a quantitative view. I know there's a new topic every week about this (including an active one right now), but they all have conflicting opinions. It would be great to get the numbers from those who have actually experienced both.

Please vote in the poll if it applies to you!

 

[ElFenix]

right now i'd suspect the 2001 is better, but i've only had 2005s. meant to get the 2001 but the wrong monitor was in the cart on accident

 

[SynthDude2001]

I've used both (brother owns the 2001FP and I own the 2005FPW), and I prefer the 2005FPW.

 

[Aepheme]

You know, these are almost the exact results that I expected.

It's strange, though... The 2001FP seems better (rationally) to me, as someone who hasn't seen either monitor. It just seems like something designed for the typical gaming aspect ratio would work better. And of course, there's the thread about how the 2005FPW is only as tall as a 17" monitor... Pshhh, who wants that?

Yet, it seems that everyone who has actually tried both ends up liking the 2005FPW better. I wonder why that is...?

 

[knyghtbyte]

i'll take my Dell 19in CRT for competitive CS:S gaming cheers over both them...

however if im just going to have fun i'll use my new Infocus 7205 projector with 8ft screen to play....hehe.......now thats big screen gaming....lol

 

[JBT]

well the 2005 has faster response time and you can get just about every game to playin WS format.

 

[Aepheme]

JBT: Perhaps, but you do end up with less screen space and a shorter picture (for web forums and the like). But, in the end -- it looks like the poll speaks for itself.

If there's anyone else out there who hasn't voted yet, please vote!

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: knyghtbyte
i'll take my Dell 19in CRT for competitive CS:S gaming cheers over both them...

however if im just going to have fun i'll use my new Infocus 7205 projector with 8ft screen to play....hehe.......now thats big screen gaming....lol

This argument is just tired, have you even tried "competitive CS" on either of these monitors? I can assure you, you are at no disadvantage, plus if you had one, when you get pwned by some noob you can just blame the monitor right?

 

[mcmikemc]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: knyghtbyte
i'll take my Dell 19in CRT for competitive CS:S gaming cheers over both them...

however if im just going to have fun i'll use my new Infocus 7205 projector with 8ft screen to play....hehe.......now thats big screen gaming....lol

This argument is just tired, have you even tried "competitive CS" on either of these monitors? I can assure you, you are at no disadvantage, plus if you had one, when you get pwned by some noob you can just blame the monitor right?

Have you tried "competitive CS" on either of these monitors? If so post your clans CAL URL so we can see how good you are.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: mcmikemc

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: knyghtbyte
i'll take my Dell 19in CRT for competitive CS:S gaming cheers over both them...

however if im just going to have fun i'll use my new Infocus 7205 projector with 8ft screen to play....hehe.......now thats big screen gaming....lol

This argument is just tired, have you even tried "competitive CS" on either of these monitors? I can assure you, you are at no disadvantage, plus if you had one, when you get pwned by some noob you can just blame the monitor right?

Have you tried "competitive CS" on either of these monitors? If so post your clans CAL URL so we can see how good you are.

I'm not in a clan, I find that a little childish frankly, I play competitively solo, and I can hold my own, even on my pathetic LCD's.

 

[knyghtbyte]

well i was clanless for a month due to taking a break from serious gaming over the sumemr, but i recently joined a newish clan, some have played before together others are people they know from a regular server......but they only just getting it on, some in there are noobs, some know a bit more what they doing.......we are registered on CB, Clanbase, a UK/Euro tourny ladder thing......prev clans i was in were Enemy Down ladder tho......

u wanna see how i play, when i get home i'll update this post with my clans IP address, its a 24h Office server....

or u can leave yours and i'll swing by and check it out....im in the UK so i'll be on around 7pm my time for a few hours, then mebbe 11pm my time for an hour or two....

oh and i have recently had the chance to check out these monitors, and there is ghosting, mebbe just my eyesight happens to be sharper and notices it more, i dunno, i dont suffer the rainbow effect barely at all on DLP projectors, but i do see the screen door on LCD quite easily.......and it can affect you when you play, long distance deagle shot, no point shooting a blur is there?

or do u prefer to use aimbots to make sure the ghosting doesnt affect your chance of hitting?

 

[knyghtbyte]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: knyghtbyte
i'll take my Dell 19in CRT for competitive CS:S gaming cheers over both them...

however if im just going to have fun i'll use my new Infocus 7205 projector with 8ft screen to play....hehe.......now thats big screen gaming....lol

This argument is just tired, have you even tried "competitive CS" on either of these monitors? I can assure you, you are at no disadvantage, plus if you had one, when you get pwned by some noob you can just blame the monitor right?

anyone can be pwned by a noob on a public server once in a while, if you dont then you are hacking, pure and simple, you may not die very much, but all it takes is a random chance nade or a lucky spray and ur dead.........luck is always better to have than skill, but best is if you got both........oh i suppose someone who camps constantly has less chance, but there is no fun in that on a public server..

in 5v5 team play tho, yes, being pwned by a noob is embarassing, but it happens, not much you can do about it, cept make sure it dont happen again.....and yes, it could be the monitor to blame at times, CRT has no blur other than incidental motion speed, flat panels have blur (as in ghosting), even the lower response ones do, and the Dells are certainly not lowest response!

I admire LCDs for their good points, and if you have no room for a CRT then fair do's, go for it, but i do, and i prefer a CRT for gaming........

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: knyghtbyte
well i was clanless for a month due to taking a break from serious gaming over the sumemr, but i recently joined a newish clan, some have played before together others are people they know from a regular server......but they only just getting it on, some in there are noobs, some know a bit more what they doing.......we are registered on CB, Clanbase, a UK/Euro tourny ladder thing......prev clans i was in were Enemy Down ladder tho......

u wanna see how i play, when i get home i'll update this post with my clans IP address, its a 24h Office server....

or u can leave yours and i'll swing by and check it out....im in the UK so i'll be on around 7pm my time for a few hours, then mebbe 11pm my time for an hour or two....

oh and i have recently had the chance to check out these monitors, and there is ghosting, mebbe just my eyesight happens to be sharper and notices it more, i dunno, i dont suffer the rainbow effect barely at all on DLP projectors, but i do see the screen door on LCD quite easily.......and it can affect you when you play, long distance deagle shot, no point shooting a blur is there?

or do u prefer to use aimbots to make sure the ghosting doesnt affect your chance of hitting?

:Sigh: Yeah I use hacks, you got me, my secret is out. By your logic, if someone is using an LCD and they kill you, then you suck that much more. That's a silly argument as I'm sure you would agree. Maybe your eyes are more sensistive than mine, and let's be honest CS:S has terrible ballistics charactaristics, hitboxes etc. I prefer shooters with a bit of realism, like Americas Army where there isn't a requirement to aim behind your opponent to hit them.

But I digress, I'm not going to change your mind and you won't change mine.

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: Aepheme
JBT: Perhaps, but you do end up with less screen space and a shorter picture (for web forums and the like). But, in the end -- it looks like the poll speaks for itself.

If there's anyone else out there who hasn't voted yet, please vote!

You can also fit TWO windows next to each other for browsing. If I play games on 4:3 screens not it feels like I am having to look out of a window or somthing its quite uncomfortable after playing on a 16:10 screen for awhile.

 

[Aepheme]

JBT: True, I guess you could almost think of it in terms of standard shielded helmets. They usually have a viewing area shaped far more like the widescreen than the traditional 4:3 screen. Perhaps the widescreen is more "natural".

If someone were wearing a motorcycle helmet with a 4:3 visual area, it would probably look a bit strange.

-edit-

By the way, it looks like this poll is unanimous. Despite what people may think, the widescreen format IS the superior choice for gaming.

 

[Avalon]

If I had a pick, I'd take the 2005FPW. Widescreen is just so sexy.

 

[mcmikemc]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: mcmikemc

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: knyghtbyte
i'll take my Dell 19in CRT for competitive CS:S gaming cheers over both them...

however if im just going to have fun i'll use my new Infocus 7205 projector with 8ft screen to play....hehe.......now thats big screen gaming....lol

This argument is just tired, have you even tried "competitive CS" on either of these monitors? I can assure you, you are at no disadvantage, plus if you had one, when you get pwned by some noob you can just blame the monitor right?

Have you tried "competitive CS" on either of these monitors? If so post your clans CAL URL so we can see how good you are.

I'm not in a clan, I find that a little childish frankly, I play competitively solo, and I can hold my own, even on my pathetic LCD's.

How about we play a friendly game of CS:S. You on your LCD and me on my CRT and we will see how much you hold your own. I have a several 100 tick servers at my disposal that we can use.

When I talk about competitive gaming I talk about people like myself that are above average at FPS and play in leagues or LANs. For people like me I can tell when there is a .05 delay between when I move my mouse and when the movement on the screen takes place. This is the very reason why I had to go back to a CRT from my L90D.

I can assure you, without a doubt in my mind, that you are at a disadvantage to me if you are using a LCD that is as fast or slower than a L90D.

Now I am not trying to put down LCDs. I just sold my L90D and got a 2005FPW and love it. I actually plan on playing most of my games on it because of how beautiful everything looks on it. But I will not be playing games on it when I am playing against others competitively where every fraction of a second counts.

 

[xtknight]

While I don't play CS:S, I'd be confident using an LCD in Wolfenstein: ET against any CRT, DLP, projector, or plasma player. The maximum delay on my screen is roughly 25ms and typically ~18ms. Neither of those is going to make an ounce of difference. The game runs at 40 (sometimes 20) FPS on the server which is 25ms. exactly. My screen updates perfectly fast enough in the absolute worst case scenario. While I still prefer the phosphors, saying the crystals of an LCD are so slow its inadequate is just ridiculous.

 

[Jaskalas]

I have not tried both, but I'd go nuts if I had to go back to 4:3

 

[mcmikemc]

Originally posted by: xtknight
While I don't play CS:S, I'd be confident using an LCD in Wolfenstein: ET against any CRT, DLP, projector, or plasma player. The maximum delay on my screen is roughly 25ms and typically ~18ms. Neither of those is going to make an ounce of difference. The game runs at 40 (sometimes 20) FPS on the server which is 25ms. exactly. My screen updates perfectly fast enough in the absolute worst case scenario. While I still prefer the phosphors, saying the crystals of an LCD are so slow its inadequate is just ridiculous.

I am not saying that the crystals are slow LOL.

I am saying that there is a noticeable lag between when I move my mouse and when the screen would move. What caused it? I have no clue, but it was painfully obvious when I would use the LCD then switch to the CRT to make a comparison.

This is the same thing that happens with my buddies old Plasma except that the L90D was no where near as bad. I still remember playing Madden at his house the day he got it and laughing my ass off at him because he paid $5k for the plasma and there was a 1/2 second delay.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: mcmikemc
I am not saying that the crystals are slow LOL.

I am saying that there is a noticeable lag between when I move my mouse and when the screen would move. What caused it? I have no clue, but it was painfully obvious when I would use the LCD then switch to the CRT to make a comparison.

This is the same thing that happens with my buddies old Plasma except that the L90D was no where near as bad. I still remember playing Madden at his house the day he got it and laughing my ass off at him because he paid $5k for the plasma and there was a 1/2 second delay.

That's the refresh rate. Set it to 75 Hz.

 

[Ackmed]

2005FPW for me. Yes I have had both, widescreen gaming is the way to go.

Thread I made last Dec, when I owned both here I also made one to compare the 2005 and the 2405.

 

[jiffylube1024]

I'm a big fan of the 2005fpw too (I got one recently and love it, although back when this thread was created I didn't have it so I voted for the last choice).

Anyways, I love widescreen gaming; I just find the aspect ratio appears much more realistic than on a 4:3 (or 5:4, *shudder*) screen. It has nothing to do with the in-game FOV and more to do with how it relates better to your actual field of vision.

4:3 gaming is by no means bad, but I just feel that widescreen gives you a much more open or expansive feeling; like you're in the game, while 4:3 is a window into the game.

 

[duragezic]

I couldn't imagine noticing a delay due to the LCD as opposed to latency. Never have I noticed any ghosting, and I went from a aperture grille CRT straight to a 2005FPW. Yes if I pay attention I notice a delay from when I fire until I see it. This is because my cable connection sucks.

 

[johnnqq]

the only reason why i woudl want to move from my 19 inch trinitron would be the ease of use of an lcd...it's a PAIN IN THE ASS to reset size, convergence, etc...but otherwise crt is king