Poll: Evolution in school curriculum question.

[SuperGroove]

I've signed up to be in an economics class. The first two classes dealt SOLELY with evolution and how the earth was created. Now...I signed up for Econ and not evolution 101. I had to go through that crap in Science and my grade suffered because of it. Since this is econ, do you think it's fair that I'm being "forced" to accept evolution?

I took my first quiz in his class, not on economics, but on evolution. The entire quiz, evolution. I know I should have some general idea of evolution, but why should my grade have to suffer if I don't believe in Evolution? Those who believe in evolution don't have to learn about creation, and often never do. Is this really fair?

 

[thelanx]

You should just tell the teacher that you don't believe in evolution. He/She should respect that choice.

I don't care if they teach it, but they should let people choose if they want to be taught about evolution.

 

[SuperGroove]

A student told him that he believed in Creation and would not do well on the quiz because of it. He replied, "I don't care for any of that creation crap. You have to take the quiz just like everyone."

 

[Czar]

evolution is something that you dont belive in, it is based on science.

but nevermind

I find it strange to teach a subject that has nothing to do with economics when you signed up to learn economics. Go to your head teacher and ask for why.

 

[Mister T]

science is not a matter of faith my friend.
beleive in whatever you want.

However, if you need this class, and want to pass, you must jump through the hoops.
My 16 years of jumping through hoops ends in 3 months... yippy

 

[Isla]

<< you must jump through the hoops >>




Precisely.

Well said, MrT!

 

[SuperGroove]

<< science is not a matter of faith my friend.
beleive in whatever you want. >>







Without a firm understanding in how everything came about, science cannot go further, right? So my science classes would not continue until everyone took on evolution as fact.

 

[BoberFett]

You don't have to believe it, you just have to understand the concepts behind it. Besides, if you don't believe it and want to argue against it, you're going to need to understand the evolutionists theories anyway. If not, you'll just look like a religious nut.

 

[Regine]

Studying evolution and wanting to do that for the rest of life, I'm gonna have to defend it
I do believe that evolution should be taught, but that people that don't believe in it shoudl be given alternative assignments, just like it was done in one of my Science classes in high school.
But you're taking Econ 101? What does evolution have to do with that at all? I took econ 101 and there wasn't any talk about it. Evolution shouldn't belong in Econ classes, just like teaching creationism shouldn't be.

Btw, we are taught about creation even if we believe in evolution. History classes are full of it.

As to your question in the poll - both are ok to be taught in school, as long as people believing in the opposite thing have the opportunity to have alternative assignments if it is appropriate in the class.

 

[SuperGroove]

toolgirl, I like your alternate assignment idea.

As for me being in Econ and learning evolution...bah When we actually get to studying about economics, I'll be lost

 

[AlphaVMS]

toolgirl

You said:

<< I do believe that evolution should be taught, but that people that don't believe in it shoudl be given alternative assignments, just like it was done in one of my Science classes in high school. >>



I don't think that people that don't believe in evolution should be given alternative assignments. Otherwise, you'd have to give alternative assignments for anything else someone said they didn't believe. &quot;I'm sorry, but I don't believe in gravity, please give me an alternative assignment.&quot;

For an Econ class, evolution shouldn't be taught, but in a science class where the development of species is a relevant subject, evolution should be taught and required, whether the person taking the class believes in it or not. There aren't many scientific alternatives to evolution to consider in science at this point, and non-scientific alternatives don't belong in a science class.

 

[UG]

Presumably, much of the analytical underpinnings of evolution theory are based on the statistical analysis of populations and genetic characteristics within, and shared amongst, populations.

Perhaps being hypersensitive to evolution as a major scientific paradigm is causing you to miss the point that it is on statistics and statistical analysis that you're actually being tested and not evolution.

 

[Zenmervolt]

but that people that don't believe in it shoudl be given alternative assignments, just like it was done in one of my Science classes in high school.

Science is not democracy. Current science says evolution is the best theory we have right now, as such it is what should be mandatory in Science classes. Note I only said Science classes. Econ is no place for evolution, just as Science is no place for creation. Creation should be taught (if at all) in History or Comparative Religion, or Comparative Culture classes. Giving people alternate assignments in leu of learning about evolution leads to ignorance. Students who disagree with something should be especially interested in researching it, you cannot effectively argure a point if you are wholly ignorant of or misconcieved about the opposing position.

Zenmervolt

 

[tinneric]

For sure it shouldn't be part of an Econ class.

 

[tinneric]

If anything both should be taught in school. Definately not one or the other. It is not anymore unbelievible that we were created by god than it is we evolved from slime.

 

[Gatsby]

I preface my statements by saying I am an aethist / agnostic / apathetic. Depends on teh orientation of the galaxy or how much I want to care.

its my beliefe that evolution should be taught but in an ECON class?
what is the teacher smoking? Its something to be taught by a bio teacher and something that should say its not perfect. and neither is creationism. but thats just my opinion.

but I do believe evolution should be taught. even if hte student does not agree with it. Its good to know more about the world than you think you know.

My basis for this is that I have tried to read the bible although I do not believe in god in certain times of teh day. Its for the knowledge it possess just as evolution should be taught to people who do not believe it. Its just a common beliefe that should be learned.

Anyways I digress, I do believe it should be taught.

Gatsby - 894

 

[SuperGroove]

Yes, I know that everyone should have an understanding of Evolution. I've done my four years of high school science based on evolution, I've already been through it. I've already forgotten it. I have to learn it again in a class that shouldn't be teaching evolution.

Don't you think some faith's required in evolution? I mean...not all of can believe the big bang.I mean...the earth, according to evolution, is wha...5 billion years old? I remember reading something about the accumulation of the dust found on the moon. I recall the article stated that at the rate the moon collects dust and if it's as old as the theory of evolution states, when man first walked on the moon, Neil Armstrong should've sunk very deep into the dust. In interviews, he even stated that he was afraid of walking the moon. However, many things could have contributed to his fear...meh.


bottom line, I don't want to learn about evolution in Econ. It's not a science class, and it only pertains to his emphasis on the big picture. I'm not going to fail because of his stupid curriculum.

 

Regardless of what you belive in.
That is what the prof is testing you on.
If you dont like it, if you in college, you would get up, leave and drop the class. No questions asked.
Otherwise, you have to jump through the hoops he presents you.
It is a econ class, but you got a prof who likes to go on a tengent.
Unfortunate as it is, this is not a moralistic world.

 

[xaigi]

Dear Teacher,

My son and I are both Hermititians. Our religion requires that we base our lives on a firm belief in witchcraft and paint thinner, and avoid discussing mathematics at all times. Please excuse my son from all tests and quizzes that require knowledge of mathematics.

Sincerely,
Concerned Parent