POLL: Does the "Fast-Food Ice Dirtier Than Toilet Water" story alarm you?

Amused

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Fast-Food Ice Dirtier Than Toilet Water
Seventh Grader's Science Project Turns Up Some Disturbing Results


(Feb. 20) - Jasmine Roberts never expected her award-winning middle school science project to get so much attention. But the project produced some disturbing results: 70 percent of the time, ice from fast food restaurants was dirtier than toilet water.

The 12-year-old collected ice samples from five restaurants in South Florida -- from both self-serve machines inside the restaurant and from drive-thru windows. She then collected toilet water samples from the same restaurants and tested all of them for bacteria at the University of South Florida.

In several cases, the ice tested positive for E. coli bacteria, which comes from human waste and has been linked to several illness outbreaks across the country.

"These [bacteria] don't belong there," said Dr. David Katz, medical contributor to "Good Morning America." "It's not cause for panic, although it is alarming because what she found is nothing new. You're not more likely to get sick now. But she's done us a favor by sounding the alarm."

Both Roberts and Katz said that the ice is likely dirtier because machines aren't cleaned and people use unwashed hands to scoop ice. Toilet water is also surprisingly bacteria-free, because it comes from sanitized city water supplies.

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Roberts got interested in the project after reading a newspaper article about bacteria in airplane water and decided to do something similar. Plus, she said, all of her friends chew on ice, and it drives her crazy.

"I just picked the not-obvious choice," the seventh grader said of her project.

Her 18-year-old brother, Justus, is also an award-winning science fair veteran who said he has encouraged his little sister's interest in science.

Justus said when Jasmine told him her idea for this project, "I gave her a high five, then said, 'You're a strange little kid.' But I supported her all the way."

The restaurants also have taken notice of Roberts' project. Two began new sanitary polices and have asked her to come back and do her tests again.

"First they appreciated the project," she said. "And one location even asked me to come back and test the temperature of their food."

 

Syrch

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well you have to take into consideration that toilet water isn't really full of bacteria as it is the same as tap water which gets cholorine and some filtering. There was bacteria that shouldn't be there though. And yeah i saw this on the news yesterday morning
 

Linflas

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The interesting experiment would be to test toilet water from a toilet that she did not flush immediately before taking the sample. In the original thread that was posted here the article stated that she flushed the toilets prior to taking the sample. I am not a bit surprised that a freshly flushed toilet contained clean water since it comes from the same water supply as the drinking water.
 

AdamSnow

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Originally posted by: K1052
I guess I should stop taking dumps in our ice makers.

:eek:

Careful, they might take away your smoking rights if you are willing to give that up so easy...
 

FoBoT

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dirt and germs are good for you to build up your immunity

if you were never exposed to any germs, how would you fight off diseases?
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: Linflas
The interesting experiment would be to test toilet water from a toilet that she did not flush immediately before taking the sample. In the original thread that was posted here the article stated that she flushed the toilets prior to taking the sample. I am not a bit surprised that a freshly flushed toilet contained clean water since it comes from the same water supply as the drinking water.

So would you drink out of a just-flushed toilet?
 

kogase

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Sort of nasty. I'm not alarmed, however, because I don't eat at fast-food joints.
 

spacejamz

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who else here has been drinking cokes (or pop for you northerners :)) for the past 5, 10 15 or 20 years or longer from McDonald's, Burger King, Arbys or Wendys and not got sick from the bacteria in the ice besides me???
 

Linflas

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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: Linflas
The interesting experiment would be to test toilet water from a toilet that she did not flush immediately before taking the sample. In the original thread that was posted here the article stated that she flushed the toilets prior to taking the sample. I am not a bit surprised that a freshly flushed toilet contained clean water since it comes from the same water supply as the drinking water.

So would you drink out of a just-flushed toilet?

No but do you think that somehow negates the point? She is comparing ice that has been sitting around exposed to the air for hours to toilet water that just came from the water supply. Allow that same water to be exposed to the air and toilet surfaces for a couple hours then test and see how much bacteria etc are in it.
 

tweakmm

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Seeing as we are less whole humans and more human/bacteria hybrids with the alien bacteria vastly outnumbering human cells, I'm not stressin' it too much.
 

GregGreen

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I'm sure it is about the same at any restaurant and not just fast food restaurants.
 

ManyBeers

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So thanks to this wonderful little 12- year old the next time you need some water from a restaurant you should request toilet water. Sure. Thanks to her I can now sleep better at night.
 

slayer202

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
who else here has been drinking cokes (or pop for you northerners :)) for the past 5, 10 15 or 20 years or longer from McDonald's, Burger King, Arbys or Wendys and not got sick from the bacteria in the ice besides me???

everytime you have gotten sick in those 20 years, can you explain what made you sick? could have been the ice...
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: Yossarian
why don't they use toilet water to make ice then?
There are too many people who don't put time into thinking.
[*]The ICE maker is one source of contamination. The water entering the ice machine is clean. Rerouting the water through a toilet won't help.
[*]The ice sits around, it gives time for bacteria to grow. The toilet water was not given time for bacteria to grow.
[*]The ice may have been handled. The toilet water was not.
[*]The study did not test if it was safe or harmful bacteria. I bet there was a greater percentage of harmful bacteria in the toilet water. Bacteria is everywhere. Virtually all of it is harmless. So what if there is harmless bacteria in the ice?
 

Fritzo

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Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: Linflas
The interesting experiment would be to test toilet water from a toilet that she did not flush immediately before taking the sample. In the original thread that was posted here the article stated that she flushed the toilets prior to taking the sample. I am not a bit surprised that a freshly flushed toilet contained clean water since it comes from the same water supply as the drinking water.

So would you drink out of a just-flushed toilet?

No but do you think that somehow negates the point? She is comparing ice that has been sitting around exposed to the air for hours to toilet water that just came from the water supply. Allow that same water to be exposed to the air and toilet surfaces for a couple hours then test and see how much bacteria etc are in it.

Exactly. Plus they didn't identify the bacteria, and since the toilet was just flushed, it would have removed most of the existing bacteria anyway.

Now, an office desk- THAT'S a nasty place!