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Poll: Do you use (mostly) antibacterial soap?

Dial.

Some doctors say not to use it because your body doesn't have to work as hard to fight off bacteria. This is a DISadvantage because it gets weaker over the long run... So...you can use it, just don't scrub so hard.
 
Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Dial.

Some doctors say not to use it because your body doesn't have to work as hard to fight off bacteria. This is a DISadvantage because it gets weaker over the long run... So...you can use it, just don't scrub so hard.
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I was under the impression that it made the bacteria stronger, as in resistant to triclosan, not the body weaker. Is it both?
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Dial.

Some doctors say not to use it because your body doesn't have to work as hard to fight off bacteria. This is a DISadvantage because it gets weaker over the long run... So...you can use it, just don't scrub so hard.
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I was under the impression that it made the bacteria stronger, as in resistant to triclosan
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That is what I have heard. What the hell do I need to use anti-bacterial soap for, anyway? Bacteria are everywhere, people, you can't escape them. Just wash your hands before you eat and take a shower once a day with regular soap and you should be fine.

Oh, and don't play with feces.
 
No, and here's why.

First off, the FIRST layer of defense your body has against infection is the benign bacteria that reside on your skin. If you kill these bacteria, you're just opening up an environment for pathogens to thrive on, free from competition.

Second, your immune system works much, much better when there is a low level of stimulation at all times (AKA benign bacteria). This helps the immune system respond faster when there's a real infection, and it keeps your immune system from turning on itself (allergies, arthritis)

Finally, the use of antibacterial products simply promotes the development of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. Bacteria adapt VERY quickly, and if a given antibiotic is widely used (especially by untrained people who slosh it everywhere), resistant bacteria become more the norm than the exception. Antibacterial products provide a false sense of security, and make it harder for doctors to kill the problematic bugs since they have to keep developing different antibiotics. Time was, penicillin would kill pretty much everything out there. Now some bacteria are even resistant to vancomycin, commonly considered the "drug of last resort".

As for Triclosan specifically, there is some debate about whether it is safe...it may or may not be a carcinogen, for one thing.
 
save antibiotics for human use only.

bleach and alcohol etc can kill bacteria fine, except in a human, because they kill you too.

logical step - only use antibiotics when required.


next logical step - shoot the stupid fvcks that are overusing antibiotics 😉
 
Is triclosan pretty much useless as antibiotic at this point with everyone using it? Also, I noticed local Wal-Mart only had antibacterial liquid soap when I went to pick some up. I guess I'll try Target next time.
 
No, and it's actually getting fairly difficult to find non-antibacterial soaps nowadays. Antibacterial everything is so overused, and will come back to haunt us one day...
 
Originally posted by: jagec
No, and here's why.

First off, the FIRST layer of defense your body has against infection is the benign bacteria that reside on your skin. If you kill these bacteria, you're just opening up an environment for pathogens to thrive on, free from competition.

Second, your immune system works much, much better when there is a low level of stimulation at all times (AKA benign bacteria). This helps the immune system respond faster when there's a real infection, and it keeps your immune system from turning on itself (allergies, arthritis)

Finally, the use of antibacterial products simply promotes the development of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. Bacteria adapt VERY quickly, and if a given antibiotic is widely used (especially by untrained people who slosh it everywhere), resistant bacteria become more the norm than the exception. Antibacterial products provide a false sense of security, and make it harder for doctors to kill the problematic bugs since they have to keep developing different antibiotics. Time was, penicillin would kill pretty much everything out there. Now some bacteria are even resistant to vancomycin, commonly considered the "drug of last resort".

As for Triclosan specifically, there is some debate about whether it is safe...it may or may not be a carcinogen, for one thing.
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Antibacteria and antibiotics are not necessarily the same thing. AFAIK, exposure to one does not create resistance to the other.
 
I only recently started buying antibacterial handsoap.

I use Lava soap for the dishes, but like it better for just washing my hands.

I'm kinda torn though. I'm not sure if triclosan is one of those things that bacteria can become immune to or not.

If it is.. well, that kinda sucks.

Well, on second thought, I suppose a bacteria/virus could potentially become immune to anything you throw at it..

I guess as long as it kills most things now, it's OK. 😀

heh..

I only use it to wash my hands though. I'm not worried about the bacteria growing on my hands. The second line of defense.. is your skin itself. 😛 You could get most any bacteria or virus on your skin. As long as it isn't broken anywhere, you'll be fine. It wouldn't even trigger an immune response in most cases. The bacteria/virus would just die.

The problem is that you rub your eyes, or your mouth, or something... and it gets inside you, man! :Q

😛

although, if it's a supposed carcinogen.. that's no fun.

There have got to be some "natural" antibacterial soaps out there.

Hmm... tea tree oil soap anyone? 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Colt45
save antibiotics for human use only.

bleach and alcohol etc can kill bacteria fine, except in a human, because they kill you too.

logical step - only use antibiotics when required.


next logical step - shoot the stupid fvcks that are overusing antibiotics 😉
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I agree
 
I will add that some antibotics kill bacteria with complicated chemical interactions that only work if the pieces "match up." (Proteins etc). These become useless with overuse and misuse fairly rapidly.

Other "antibiotics" such as bleech and flame kill things in a more violent and sure-fire way. I am fairly sure (but I havent seen actual research on this) that these things do not become useless with use. Although in theory, I guess you could have bleech-resistant bacteria develop over time........
 
assuming I have a choice, no. when I'm at home, I use the same body wash that I use in the shower to wash my hands with... don't have much a choice at work or at friends' houses, though.
 
i always use antibacterial soap, simply because the scents i like are from dial, and they only come in antibacterial form. also use irish spring sport on occasion. i'm pretty usre if the immunity to triclosan becomes dangerous, they will think of something to kill the strain thats immune. if worst comes to worst, i'm pretty sure nothing will survive a prolonged swim in bleach, or microwave radiation 😉
 
The problem is in our ever increasing antiseptic society, people are developing autoimmune diseases at an alarming rate. It seems that without constant infections to fight, the body's immune system turns on the body. The rapid increase in Asthma, Crohn's disease, MS and other maladies are proof of this.
 
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