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Do you trust Trump in a meeting alone with Putin, no staff?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 9.8%
  • No

    Votes: 101 90.2%

  • Total voters
    112

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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Haha, you have very poor reading comprehension. Most of those promises came after the election and they were specifically about the health care bill Republicans were putting together. How did you not know this?

So in your attempt to excuse Trump’s serial lying you mentioned a lie Obama made about health care while apparently not realizing Trump lied about that too. Will you admit you were wrong? (Lol of course not)

OK, he did say that before and after the election I only skimmed the article you linked. I went back and read further. We are less than two years in and the Republicans can't seem to get their shit together. And the promise so far has been a bust.

You got me
, I was wrong. Feel better?

Even still we have established that both Obama lied outright knowing that it was a lie and Trump ( so far ) has not been able to keep his promise.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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We all know there is no way in hell you’d be sitting here saying it’s okay that ANY Democrat met with Putin in private, didn’t disclose anything that happened during that meeting then days later Russia saying they have an agreement with the US on several things.
No way would you be sitting there acting like that’s okay.

I’d bet you would be shouting impeachment if it was President Clinton.

Be honest about this.

To me this isn’t impeachment stuff the President should be able to talk about deals with other leaders. Also Congress needs to approve treaties but I’m not convinced Trump realizes that.
Finally it could simply be a diversion from Russia but that takes us back to square one where it’s a bad idea for a President to have an off the books meeting with Putin.

No I wouldn't be shouting for impeachment. I didn't for Nixon and I didn't for Clinton...

So far the only thing to come out of this meeting is some on the left losing their collective minds over nothing.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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I didn't say me I meant anyone that disagrees with you. No whining just pointing out the facts.

Where did the pentagon disagree with me? "What IF Anything..." I'm not willing to call it a disaster without some evidence that there was actually something like a disaster happened. They want to know and I'm sure they will get their answers in time. They work for the Commander in Chief, not the other way around.

You asked me a question that I have no way to quantify. Neither do you.

At least I am not pretending to know something that I obviously do not like yourself and this meeting between Trump and Putin.
Meanwhile someone had to cockblock Trump from handing over US citizens to Russia for interrogation. Super fine meeting indeed.
It truely is pity, I promise you.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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Listen to yourself. The Pentagon is in a situation where they are trying to investigate what national security arrangements the president may have made in secret with a hostile foreign power and you don’t think that’s a problem.

You guys have totally lost your minds.



Of course you have ways to quantify it. The Washington Post literally has an ongoing article quantifying it.

You won’t answer it because you’re bizarrely defensive about this issue. Trust me, it will be just fine if you admit what we all know - that Trump is exceptionally dishonest even by politician standards. His dishonesty is one of the things he’s been best known for his entire life.

Lost our minds. Not hardly. I feel the opposite is true.

Washington Post indeedy ! ;)

I don't need to answer it and the WP's opinion is mute because they cannot possibly know about every lie ever told. Their opinion on this means as much to me as yours.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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OK, he did say that before and after the election I only skimmed the article you linked. I went back and read further. We are less than two years in and the Republicans can't seem to get their shit together. And the promise so far has been a bust.

You got me
, I was wrong. Feel better?

Even still we have established that both Obama lied outright knowing that it was a lie and Trump ( so far ) has not been able to keep his promise.

Are you fucking kidding me. Even now you’re obfuscating. It’s not that Trump made a promise that he’s been unable to keep - Trump made a promise and then tried to pass a health care plan that did the exact opposite. Had the Republicans ‘gotten their shit together’ millions and millions would have lost their insurance.

This is what I’m talking about when I say partisanship rots your brain. I’m perfectly willing to say that Obama was being deceptive when he said that. He knew (or should have known) that while there was nothing in the bill that required you to change doctors that would be the logical outcome for a bunch of people. Instead he misled people by taking refuge in the fact that the bill didn’t explicitly do that. Why can’t you admit that Trump made a number of bald faced lies about health care, especially considering the consequences of Trump’s lie would have been so much worse had he successfully implemented the policy he wanted?
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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Meanwhile someone had to cockblock Trump from handing over US citizens to Russia for interrogation. Super fine meeting indeed.
It truely is pity, I promise you.

Trump never said he was "handing" anyone over to Russia. There was an offer made by Russia to allow the US to observe interrogation of the 12 indicted Russians if the US would allow the same for a number of US and other citizens.

It was considered and rejected.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Lost our minds. Not hardly. I feel the opposite is true.

Washington Post indeedy ! ;)

I don't need to answer it and the WP's opinion is mute because they cannot possibly know about every lie ever told. Their opinion on this means as much to me as yours.

You’ve now retreated to ‘it’s not possible to know anything’? Again, are you fucking kidding me.

Things like this are why people think the right has lost their minds. Denial of plainly obvious reality.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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Trump never said he was "handing" anyone over to Russia. There was an offer made by Russia to allow the US to observe interrogation of the 12 indicted Russians if the US would allow the same for a number of US and other citizens.

It was considered and rejected.
Why would it even have been up for consideration?

I'm sure you don't care Trump was considering turning for a US citizen to Putin. Lives don't matter as long as you get to kneel at the foot of Trump.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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Are you fucking kidding me. Even now you’re obfuscating. It’s not that Trump made a promise that he’s been unable to keep - Trump made a promise and then tried to pass a health care plan that did the exact opposite. Had the Republicans ‘gotten their shit together’ millions and millions would have lost their insurance.

This is what I’m talking about when I say partisanship rots your brain. I’m perfectly willing to say that Obama was being deceptive when he said that. He knew (or should have known) that while there was nothing in the bill that required you to change doctors that would be the logical outcome for a bunch of people. Instead he misled people by taking refuge in the fact that the bill didn’t explicitly do that. Why can’t you admit that Trump made a number of bald faced lies about health care, especially considering the consequences of Trump’s lie would have been so much worse had he successfully implemented the policy he wanted?

The fat lady hasn't sung yet for Trump.

Obama, He wasn't deceptive, he didn't mislead, he did know and was told several times what would happen. He outright lied right in our faces. Why won't you admit that?
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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Why would it even have been up for consideration?

I'm sure you don't care Trump was considering turning for a US citizen to Putin. Lives don't matter as long as you get to kneel at the foot of Trump.

That wasn't what was proposed by Putin. Trump cannot turn over any US Citizen to a foreign power on his own anyway. Meh
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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The fat lady hasn't sung yet for Trump.

Obama, He wasn't deceptive, he didn't mislead, he did know and was told several times what would happen. He outright lied right in our faces. Why won't you admit that?

Uhmm, being deceptive is another word for lying, lol.

Regardless, nice attempt at excusing Trump’s obvious lies yet again. You’re living in a delusional fantasy. Your argument is now that Trump wasn’t lying about everyone keeping their insurance despite actively working to pass a law taking insurance from millions is that he might pass some magical health care bill in the future that does this.

This is beyond stupid. Try to put aside the tribalism for a minute and think about this logically.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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The fat lady hasn't sung yet for Trump.

Obama, He wasn't deceptive, he didn't mislead, he did know and was told several times what would happen. He outright lied right in our faces. Why won't you admit that?

Yep Obama lied in that statement about keeping your plan and doctor (and you have the nerve to accuse others of beating dead horses). Now that we've dispensed with the "but Obama" argument is it possible for you to admit the scale on which Trump lies is significantly greater than previous Presidents? BTW I linked a Washington Post article for you that details almost 7 per day since he took office.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
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Yep Obama lied in that statement about keeping your plan and doctor (and you have the nerve to accuse others of beating dead horses). Now that we've dispensed with the "but Obama" argument is it possible for you to admit the scale on which Trump lies is significantly greater than previous Presidents? BTW I linked a Washington Post article for you that details almost 7 per day since he took office.

He already addressed that by saying that it’s not possible to know who is a greater liar unless you have data on every lie ever told.

Yes, he’s saying something that stupid. By this logic there’s no way to know if Joseph Goebbels was a greater liar than Dwight Eisenhower because we just don’t know every lie they both told.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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That wasn't what was proposed by Putin. Trump cannot turn over any US Citizen to a foreign power on his own anyway. Meh
In a joint press conference with Trump Monday, Putin proposed that the U.S. allow Russian officials to interview Americans in exchange for Russia allowing U.S. officials to interview Russians, such as the 12 people recently indicted for their role in hacking Democratic computer systems in 2016.

“This kind of effort should be a mutual one,” Putin said Monday. “We would expect that the Americans would reciprocate.”

The idea was “an incredible offer,” Trump said.

It certainly was excuse boy.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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He already addressed that by saying that it’s not possible to know who is a greater liar unless you have data on every lie ever told.

Yes, he’s saying something that stupid. By this logic there’s no way to know if Joseph Goebbels was a greater liar than Dwight Eisenhower because we just don’t know every lie they both told.

LOL, I missed that bit of nuttery.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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The fat lady hasn't sung yet for Trump.

Obama, He wasn't deceptive, he didn't mislead, he did know and was told several times what would happen. He outright lied right in our faces. Why won't you admit that?
You JUST had a fit over someone diverting by mentioning Obama. This is your whole MO, whatever standards you put others to they dont apply to yourself. Pity.
 

VRAMdemon

Diamond Member
Aug 16, 2012
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Interesting narrative in that if you dislike/disapprove of this President Trump you have some kind of "derangement syndrome". You would think if you support this steaming turd of a President, that's a "derangement syndrome" all of its own. Who knew...
 
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compcons

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He already addressed that by saying that it’s not possible to know who is a greater liar unless you have data on every lie ever told.

Yes, he’s saying something that stupid. By this logic there’s no way to know if Joseph Goebbels was a greater liar than Dwight Eisenhower because we just don’t know every lie they both told.

I really want to understand how someone can be critical when the opposing team does something but when their guy does it (literally 300-2000% more often) it is okay. Is it the topic of the lie or is it just the whole "do as I say..." thing? I don't want to generalize, but it definitely seems more prominent in conservatives. The epitome is the Christian's who still believe in the liar/cheat/sex fiend occupying the whitehouse. But really, do they not see it or are they just ignoring it because they believe the overall goal is more important?

I have some faith because I have a fiscal conservative relative who has always voted R. Very well educated and very smart (book-smart and common sense). He is finally seeing the wreck Trump is and is ALSO starting to see through the general bullcrap laid out by the Republican party. As far as Social issues go, definitely more "doesn't give a damn" to slightly liberal. I think those are the conservatives who will abandon the Republicans. I think these are the people who are considered "moderate Republicans" and may not vote or even vote for the right Dem.
 

Jhhnn

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This is beyond stupid. Try to put aside the tribalism for a minute and think about this logically.

You know he can't do that. He's captive to Trump's cult of personality. Had Obama shown the same obsequious deference to Putin as Trump we'd be peeling geek down out of the rafters.
 

Younigue

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I would much rather have Trump lie to me about the size of the crowd at his inauguration ceremony than lie to me about being able to keep my doctor or my insurance policy.
Holy shit dumb has got a hold of you and it's never letting go. If that's all you think Trump has lied to you about your brain isn't functioning at a level that you should even be allowed to interact with the human race. Seriously pc there is nothing about you worth a god damn thing. You bring nothing but shit in to the world.
 
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fskimospy

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I really want to understand how someone can be critical when the opposing team does something but when their guy does it (literally 300-2000% more often) it is okay. Is it the topic of the lie or is it just the whole "do as I say..." thing? I don't want to generalize, but it definitely seems more prominent in conservatives. The epitome is the Christian's who still believe in the liar/cheat/sex fiend occupying the whitehouse. But really, do they not see it or are they just ignoring it because they believe the overall goal is more important?

I think it's tribalism and identity politics more than anything else. I'm sure on some level they are aware of these contradictions they just engage in motivated reasoning to get rid of those uncomfortable thoughts. I think pcgeek in this thread is a pretty great example of that - he knows Trump is a pathological liar so he has to figure out some way that it's not so bad because Trump is on the team. I don't even think it's about goals because...well...for the most part Trump doesn't have goals that extend beyond his own interests.

Not sure if you saw this article but it shows the sort of mental gymnastics Republicans are engaging in these days:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eature/god-trump-and-the-meaning-of-morality/

Linda nodded. It wasn’t just Muslims that posed a threat, she said, but all kinds of immigrants coming into the country.

“Unpapered people,” Sheila said, adding that she had seen them in the county emergency room and they got treated before her. “And then the Americans are not served.”

Love thy neighbor, she said, meant “love thy American neighbor.”

Welcome the stranger, she said, meant the “legal immigrant stranger.”

“The Bible says, ‘If you do this to the least of these, you do it to me,’ ” Sheila said, quoting Jesus. “But the least of these are Americans, not the ones crossing the border.”

Scary stuff.

I have some faith because I have a fiscal conservative relative who has always voted R. Very well educated and very smart (book-smart and common sense). He is finally seeing the wreck Trump is and is ALSO starting to see through the general bullcrap laid out by the Republican party. As far as Social issues go, definitely more "doesn't give a damn" to slightly liberal. I think those are the conservatives who will abandon the Republicans. I think these are the people who are considered "moderate Republicans" and may not vote or even vote for the right Dem.

Yes, Republican Party ID has been trending downward in recent years to one of its lowest levels on record and I suspect it's because people like your relative are abandoning the party.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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You JUST had a fit over someone diverting by mentioning Obama. This is your whole MO, whatever standards you put others to they dont apply to yourself. Pity.


Nobody had a "fit". Are you retarded? Statement of fact is not a fit.