[Koing:] "I did say this in my last post. I know that there could be some foreseen accidents and such that is out of my control. But from what I can do (eat healthy, train etc) I can keep my self in good shape. Hell my coach is 66 and is still pretty ripped and toned."
Koing, you always talk about being ripped and all, but frankly your pic that you shared long time ago sheds a different story. Can you please share something new of you so I can celebrate with this ripped body of yours? Really though, sometimes I come to realise how you can't trust people's judgements, as some people have a tendency to exaggerate, and it's best to witness something by yourself. When you see for yourself, then you can interpret by yourself.
Isla, I understand what you're saying, but I do think that there's a mistake in your reasoning. It is true that stress takes a toll on the body and so does pregnancy and childbirth.
I'll stipulate that there are some conditions beyond one's control. I know each day I reaffirm to myself that I shall maintain a healthy and beautiful body, I am reminded of some force beyond my reach. I'm reminded that there is a force stronger than my will power. Nonetheless, in spite of this, I could make light of a misfortune and not live my life in despair.
But say nothing bad beyond my control happens, which I pray nothing does, then I have no reason as a person to limit myself and justify what is laziness or lack of determination as what fate brought upon me or what I must accept. So you mentioned aging and pregnancy, for instance: I would hope that you are not implying that every person of a certain age would be worn out, wrinkled, looking unhealthy, overweight, etc. My point is, for every 5 people who failed to live up to the look there's one person who puts in the hard work and maintains the look. Yes, we cannot always look young, but we can look healthy and strong for our respective ages, and we can feel youthful.
I happen to agree with you about the pregnancy taking a toll. But the question is how much of a toll? Is it one that you can get out of? How much of an effort must you make? The fact is, the measure is different and one's habits does play in when one's pregnant too! Some pregnant women do certain things excessively just as they did before they were pregnant. So let's say the normal thing happens and I add weight and all for instance. I would hate to think that I wallow in self pity, beg for sympathy from other people or live in denial instead of making efforts to obtain the look that I always desired and had before I was pregnant. I mean making the changes after pregnancy. I know it's difficult. And the truth is it's that fact of difficulty that makes people unwilling to make the changes. You have to have the discipline and determination to succeed. Basically, I want to age with grace. I want to embrace aging with such bright smile because I'm confident that I made the effort to stay fresh, healthy, and in shape.
As for men, I think there's absolutely no excuse--with exception to an illness (not diabetes)-- for the guts and the extra weight. I can understand the fast wrinkle if he's suffering to get bred for the family. And I do have a problem with men who have guts but expect their wives to lose weight when they gained weight during pregnancy.
"This is the thing: Hopefully, the experience of getting married and raising children together will make you grow up enough to realize that youth and beauty are just appetizers.... the real sustenance comes from making something meaningful of your lives."
I agree. Substance is very important. There comes much bigger issues in relationships (e.g., kids, how to raise them, food, expenses, roles). However, I won't kid myself and deny that looks has every relevance too in a relationship. It can keep people together and stronger too in appetising the sexual feeling. Basically, I agree that it's not a sufficient condition, but I do find it necessary. If both couples like the old, out of shape or unkempt look, then more power to them. It's most important for them to agree and have similar ideology, which includes even how they keep their bodies or not caring about that.
Edited for typos and to add that this is my expressed view.