POLL: Do you support population control ?

[FelixDeCat]

Although against Catholic teachings, I do support it. I think the world should adopt the policy of one child per couple. Face it people, we have limited resources and growing pollution problems.

I saw Waterworld last night (no one told me it was a four hour movie!!). Thats what really made me think about this.

 

[gopunk]

i most certainly do, though not for your reasons. sure we have to worry about running out of space, but i think we're a ways off from that. a much larger concern of mine is bad parenting. i hate how people think they're entitled to f*ck some child's life up.

 

[b0mbrman]

Bleh...I'm pretty torn about this

 

[SmirnoffIsTasty]

There should be genetic testing, as well as intellectual testing of the parents. If they're really really dumb, or have a high likelyhood of having diseased children, they should be limited. If they're average, maybe 2 kids..etc

 

[HappyPuppy]

Absolutelyl, the world is already overpopulated by about 50%.

 

[gopunk]

<< There should be genetic testing, as well as intellectual testing of the parents. If they're really really dumb, or have a high likelyhood of having diseased children, they should be limited. If they're average, maybe 2 kids..etc >>



i dunno about testing that stuff... that's iffy. not to mention i seriously doubt such laws would ever be passed.

i'd be happy if we just didn't let addicts (to anything) have children.

 

[StageLeft]

I don't like the idea of one kid per couple. I think two is fine. Industrialized nations are doing ok with their current populations. If we had one kid per couple the US would shrink and I don't think we need that. Growth is bigger than it should be though.

 

[Aves]

<< i'd be happy if we just didn't let addicts (to anything) have children. >>


Most of us here are addicted to to AT so we're screwed I guess.

Seriously though I agree with that but the question is how can you stop them? I doesn't seem possible.

 

[SmirnoffIsTasty]

It'd be a new form of evolution. Since medical advances allow the weak and disesed to live and create children, human evolution has stagnated. A Thousand years of "selective breeding", and we'd all be smarter, healthier, better people.

 

[StageLeft]

<< There should be genetic testing, as well as intellectual testing of the parents. If they're really really dumb, or have a high likelyhood of having diseased children, they should be limited. If they're average, maybe 2 kids..etc >>

See, that's the sort of thing that makes learned people shudder. Read 1984 or brave new world or anything like that. Population control should be quantitative, not qualitative. I think, like you likely do, that pig ignorant white trash with $5k/year income shouldn't have 15 kids to further spoil society but I'd rather have it than start putting in laws to say who and who can't have a kid.

 

[gopunk]

Most of us here are addicted to to AT so we're screwed I guess.

well, it's not really an issue for many of us

Seriously though I agree with that but the question is how can you stop them? I doesn't seem possible.

eh well, this is where people start to hate and flame me

my ideal plan would be to sterilize all males, but not before taking ample amounts of sperm from them. so everybody can have sex and stuff without getting people pregnant... if they want children, then they apply, and if their application is approved, they go through the same process people go through when they go to sperm banks for sperm.

there are some organizations who are doing something really cool, which is they pay addicts to go on birth control or get sterilized. i think that's awesome, and you don't run into any of the legal issues that you might with my ideal plan

 

[gopunk]

Population control should be quantitative, not qualitative. I think, like you likely do, that pig ignorant white trash with $5k/year income shouldn't have 15 kids to further spoil society but I'd rather have it than start putting in laws to say who and who can't have a kid.

i disagree, the largest threat is not that we will run out of space or anything, it is that our society will go to pieces due to bad parenting. this is not even about poor or even uneducated people spoiling society, this is about making sure that kids are raised properly. there is no doubt in my mind that there are plenty of poor and uneducated people that are good parents.

 

[StageLeft]

<< there are some organizations who are doing something really cool, which is they pay addicts to go on birth control or get sterilized. i think that's awesome, and you don't run into any of the legal issues that you might with my ideal plan >>

That money would be better spent on enough drugs to overdose the addict :Q

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I wish they'd find a contraceptive they could put in the drinking water. No babies unless you go to the doctor/clinic for the antidote and take a required parenting class.

 

[Aves]

gopunk actually that sounds like a good idea to me. It wouldn't really surprise me if things were done like that one day, but it's a long way off IMO.


Assuming humanity lasts that long of course.

 

[StageLeft]

Society won't go to hell from lack of good parenting, though it may not advance as much as it could.

In some ways I agree with requring a permit to get a kid, otherwise you have some sort of penalty put on you. I mean clearly if you look at people on jerry springer these people should not be having kids. They just should not be at all.

The guidelines for permit reception should not have anything to do with your economic class though or anything like that. Of course if they don't even have laws like that in sh*t-hole, AKA China, then I can't see it flying in the US. They have one-child laws but it's one child per couple, it doesn't base it on an application process based on income and stuff (I don't think).

 

[Theslowone]

I think if we don't support it in some fashion then life itself will start. So we either suffer a small extent today or we suffer a full blow in years to come.

 

[gopunk]

Society won't go to hell from lack of good parenting, though it may not advance as much as it could.

i guess you think it would plateau? i don't think so, i think we would see quality of our society decrease.

The guidelines for permit reception should not have anything to do with your economic class though or anything like that. Of course if they don't even have laws like that in sh*t-hole, AKA China, then I can't see it flying in the US. They have one-child laws but it's one child per couple, it doesn't base it on an application process based on income and stuff (I don't think).

well, china's not that bad... go and see for yourself

but yea, basing it on economic class is not really right... though there should be a very liberal cap. like if you make under 20,000, you shouldn't be able to have 10 children. something like that.

 

[BlueApple]

I'd be fine if the (catholic) Church advocated the use of condoms. That?s enough (along with sex education) is enough birth control. Limitation of number of children, ehhhhh, not sure about it. Look at China, so many kids are killed when they are born or put up for adoption because they either are (1) females, or (2) have a disability or disfigured. We really don?t need that in the rest of the world.

 

[FelixDeCat]

my ideal plan would be to sterilize all males, but not before taking ample amounts of sperm from them. so everybody can have sex and stuff without getting people pregnant...


Great idea Gopunk. Just dont touch my nads!

 

[Theslowone]

Right now in our society(US) we reward people for having kids. I don't know how we could stop them without really hurting the kids in some way. I am sure we arent going to implement a large birth control system, our country is to split for that.

 

[Cyberian]

<< The guidelines for permit reception should not have anything to do with your economic class though or anything like that. >>

This is where the tough part comes along.
Who gets to decide who can or can't have children. Do we base it on IQ, education, physical fitness, compassion, parenting skills or what?

 

[gopunk]

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<< The guidelines for permit reception should not have anything to do with your economic class though or anything like that. >>

This is where the tough part comes along.
Who gets to decide who can or can't have children. Do we base it on IQ, education, physical fitness, compassion, parenting skills or what? >>



you're right, it is tough...

but i think we can come up with some guidelines that 99% of people will agree with.

for example, i think that most people would agree that 10 kids for a minimum wage household is too much... if we start with extremes like that, and addicts, that would be great start imho.

 

[BillGates]

One child limit sounds bad - two children sounds good....

Almost all of the only children I know have something odd about them...

Though if the whole world were only children I guess it could be different too.

 

[Nefrodite]

in the third world maybe 1st world has no population probs.. well lower then replacement is bad.

woman get rights and work!
woman no want big dumb man!
woman no want baby!

hehe

exact opposite problem in first world. time mag article on women facing childless futures because they mistakenly thought they could wait till 40