Poll: Do you care about ray tracing / upscaling?

[Hitman928]

My favorite part is they pimp the latest gen. Then when the next gen comes out they tell you how trash that gen is for ray tracing.

They've been doing the same thing for DLSS, which is more comical to me. For the past several DLSS gens/updates they talk about how it looks better than native, pretty much all the previous artifacts are now gone, maybe they point out a minor one but then say it can't really be noticed. This talking point is repeated until the next DLSS comes out and then they point out all the issues with the prior DLSS that this one fixes and the cycle starts over again.

 

[Ranulf]

I forget exactly when it was that HUB got hit by Nvidia for no samples because they weren't going factor in RT results much or at all but they went from rt doesnt matter to being more pro DLSS. That dlss made the cards the better value, after 2.0 came out as I know they weren't fans of 1.0 (no one with a brain was).

Tim's 2-3 video rant on the whole Starfield/FSR thing last year just killed credibility for me. Same with GN a bit.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I forget exactly when it was that HUB got hit by Nvidia for no samples because they weren't going factor in RT results much or at all but they went from rt doesnt matter to being more pro DLSS. That dlss made the cards the better value, after 2.0 came out as I know they weren't fans of 1.0 (no one with a brain was).

Tim's 2-3 video rant on the whole Starfield/FSR thing last year just killed credibility for me. Same with GN a bit.

I think HUB is one of the elite reviewers where bigger bar better is concerned. And I completely understand these guys are trying to put bread on the table. Hence I support them by "smashing that subscribe button! Hitting that like button! And commenting for the algorithm!"

It does not mean I don't see the shenanigans though. The "How dare they!" over FSR you are calling out, was blatant. So is all of the Zen 5 v. Arrow Lake content. They took the street cred they got from fighting Nvidia over editorial direction and now use it as an immunity card. And they play that card all the time, by testing our credulity with the scripts they write.

In the end, reviewers are in part, glorified salespeople for the IHVs. All except GN. They have clearly emerged as the true defender of consumer rights in the DIY space. They are the Scooby gang too, doing real investigative journalism. Jay eats his feelings while shamelessly shilling on the level of Fred Garvin: Male Prostitute. Linus watches himself in the mirror while having sex. And all of the smaller channels fight for survival in the space.

RT will happen someday. And to use my almost lifelong favorite analogy for marketing nonsense - I dislike reviewers pushing RT like it's blast processing.

 

[SolidQ]

Seems FSR4 is coming to call of duty

https://videocardz.com/newz/amds-next-gen-fsr-with-machine-learning-is-coming-to-call-of-duty-black-ops-6

 

[Ranulf]

Seems FSR4 is coming to call of duty

https://videocardz.com/newz/amds-next-gen-fsr-with-machine-learning-is-coming-to-call-of-duty-black-ops-6

Given the complaints with blops6 single and multiplayer, they'll need that AI for better fps or better npc's in the single campaign. Though it may not help if the server quality stays horrible and the allegations of skill based matchmaking (SBMM) ruining competitive modes all to sell skins and keep noobs and bad players playing the game.

 

[Hitman928]

It's been 6yrs already and RT still sucks. So maybe in a couple of years more devs will make use of RT in an effective way? Now THAT's funny. We will be a full decade in and RT will have arrived, if things go well? Great, that's when it should factor into purchasing decisions. Until then it really is an Nvidia editorial direction talking point that every reviewer including HUB pushes.

Tim tells everyone it's crap and not worthwhile yet. Now he can explain why he and Steve have been pushing the RT talking point in every single GPU review as a reason to choose Nvidia over AMD. I mean a reason that isn't obvious used car salesmen bad.

When NV launched the first RTX cards, there were multiple developers/experts that weren't beholden to NV saying it would be a decade or more before the shift to RT gaming actually happened. I wasn't sure it would take that long, but looking at where we are now, it seems accurate, probably leaning towards the more side, even with all the upscaling and such hacks to try and help performance.

 

[jpiniero]

One issue (ironically enough) is that I have become more ... suspicious... that Sony is going to do a Series S/X type strategy for the PS6. Mostly so they don't have a base console with a crazy price without big subsidies.

How fast can it be, even in 2028?

 

[marees]

One issue (ironically enough) is that I have become more ... suspicious... that Sony is going to do a Series S/X type strategy for the PS6. Mostly so they don't have a base console with a crazy price without big subsidies.

How fast can it be, even in 2028?

There will a PS6 & then a PS4 like handheld

 

[SolidQ]

then a PS4 like handheld

More than PS4, PS4 like it's switch2

 

[Ranulf]

The new Monster Hunter Wilds just might be the new Crysis with its requirements both cpu and gpu. Like Dragon Age Veilguard, it has framegen in the specs list for 1080p 60fps. The weekend beta has been most amusing to watch and read up on. Reports are all over the place, some get it to run ok if weak fps, others it is a mess.

 

[poke01]

Indiana Jones and the Great Circle™ GeForce RTX 40 Series Bundle Available Now

For a limited time, buy a participating GeForce RTX 40 Series graphics card, desktop PC or laptop and you’ll receive a digital copy of Indiana Jones and the Great Circle™.

www.nvidia.com

Looks like Indy is getting full Ray tracing therefore now in 2024 I completely support RT. /s

Jokes aside excited to see how it performs. Great to MIcrosoft taking Ray tracing seriously.
Edit: the link is marketing but it does have info for Ray tracing.

 

[Ranulf]

Lossless scaling... turn 30 fps to 120 in Myth Wukong?

Steam program:

Lossless Scaling on Steam

All-in-one gaming utility for scaling and frame generation

store.steampowered.com

"Lossless Scaling allows you to scale windowed games to full screen using the state-of-the-art scaling algorithms, as well as use ML based proprietary scaling and frame generation."

 

[Bigos]

Is this available next to the downloadable RAM?

 

[poke01]

good video

 

[poke01]

This is good, $699 console doing very good hardware RT. By the time PS6 comes out hardware ray tracing will be the new normal. This is the first game to enable hardware RT because of better hardware, (duh!).

 

[poke01]

Look at the reflections on the PS5 Pro, much better.



Trees have better lighting at the back.


I'm now more convinced that hardware RT and Lumen is the way to go. This makes me very excited to the see RDNA4 and Blackwell and to see what improvements they made over last gen to the RT cores.

 

[soresu]

Trees have better lighting at the back.

Might suggest more bounces per ray.

 

[soresu]

Also the left image shows a weird bluish fog, which even if you assume to be atmospheric absorption of light shouldn't happen at such a close distance.

ie they were covering lower detail with a hack - same thing Ridley Scott did multiple times in his earlier films using dry ice on set.

 

[CP5670]

The new Monster Hunter Wilds just might be the new Crysis with its requirements both cpu and gpu. Like Dragon Age Veilguard, it has framegen in the specs list for 1080p 60fps. The weekend beta has been most amusing to watch and read up on. Reports are all over the place, some get it to run ok if weak fps, others it is a mess.

But it doesn't actually look any better than 5-10 year old games that run much faster. Crysis actually looked truly next gen for its time, none of the current titles are like that.

 

[SolidQ]

Stalker 2 hidden RT

 

[igor_kavinski]

Good to see AMD cards doing better.

 

[poke01]

Stalker 2 hidden RT

How can a 4080 Super be worse off than a 3080 Ti in Ray tracing?

Edit "The most noticeable effect of enabling ray tracing was significant drop in FPS, especially when increasing the resolution. The problems were especially evident on video cards RTX 40 series, where observed performance anomalies. As the resolution increases, the frame rate drops sharply, which becomes noticeable even on powerful systems."


Thats why. This game needs more patches lol

 

[poke01]

This game is beyond broken when RT is enabled on the Ada cards... If 4K is like this, at 8K the 4090 will be slower than a 3060.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Maybe the developers didn't get the 4090s they demanded from Nvidia as payment for the optimization effort.

 

[poke01]

Maybe the developers didn't get the 4090s they demanded from Nvidia as payment for the optimization effort.

Or maybe they shouldn't release $90AUD games that are broken on for a couple of months and require multiple patches to get to stable.
Such is the AAA industry these days