Poll: Did the Chauvin jury render a verdict based on the evidence or were they were just afraid of riotous mobs?

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Was the verdict based on the evidence or was an innocent man found guilty just to satisfy "the mob"?


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BoomerD

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Still looking for anyone who was convicted BEFORE the LA riots. For your theory to hold any water you need to be able to show that people were convicted and riots still happened. The officers who were convicted, were convicted after the LA riots under federal charges. The riots were a result of acquittals on all state charges.

What the fuck is your point? Please point out where I said anything of the kind.
 

skyking

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Nov 21, 2001
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Maybe @sao123 can enlighten us why he thinks Chauvin was innocent?

Why do people that complain about the lack of diverse opinions when asked, refuse to give it?
Sometimes you float out an opinion with the intention of fleshing out your argument on the fly. If the opinion is a formless sack of shit to begin with, that is a tall order.
The classic " because cops can't be guilty" just took the first hit in a long time. It was never an adequate response but it was indeed time-proven.
 

brycejones

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What the fuck is your point? Please point out where I said anything of the kind.

Right the fuck here:

I believe it was a mix of both. Chauvin SHOULD have been convicted of manslaughter...but the murder charges? Those were just "over-charging" to placate the mobs. I think the jury members remembered how things played out following the Rodney King trials...and voted accordingly.

Asshole
 
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BoomerD

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Right the fuck here:



Asshole

You're making my point for me. The Rodney King riots followed the acquittal of the 4 cops. Two were later convicted in FEDERAL court...long after the riots.

I believe that at least a part of the reason Chauvin was convicted on ALL charges is that SOME jurors might have feared a riot had they not convicted him. I still contend that Manslaughter was the right charge...and how the fuck do you convict one guy on 3 separate murder charges for killing one person?
 

feralkid

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Jan 28, 2002
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how the fuck do you convict one guy on 3 separate murder charges for killing one person?


Here's how: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/20/us/chauvin-guilty-verdict-sentencing.html


Short summary, in case you can't get past the paywall:

The jury found Chauvin guilty of the following three charges:

1) causing the death of a human being, without intent, while committing or attempting to commit an assault (second-degree murder);
2) unintentionally causing a death by committing an act that is eminently dangerous to other persons while exhibiting a depraved mind, with reckless disregard for human life (third-degree murder);
3) and creating an unreasonable risk, by consciously taking the chance of causing death or great bodily harm to someone else (manslaughter).
 
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brycejones

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You're making my point for me. The Rodney King riots followed the acquittal of the 4 cops. Two were later convicted in FEDERAL court...long after the riots.

I believe that at least a part of the reason Chauvin was convicted on ALL charges is that SOME jurors might have feared a riot had they not convicted him. I still contend that Manslaughter was the right charge...and how the fuck do you convict one guy on 3 separate murder charges for killing one person?
Amazingly enough your question has been answered maybe you should learn .
 
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BoomerD

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Amazingly enough your question has been answered maybe you should learn .

I've read it. Seems like a stretch to me to say Chauvin was guilty of murder because he assaulted GF...while he was restraining him.
 

feralkid

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I've read it. Seems like a stretch to me to say Chauvin was guilty of murder because he assaulted GF...while he was restraining him.


The jury unanimously thought differently.


Think about what "while in the act" means.

Also appeals are possible in the future.
 

BoomerD

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I am not sure what you call cutting off someone’s oxygen supply by kneeling on their neck besides assault.

Restraining (beyond what would otherwise be normal) a drug-addled criminal who was resisting arrest.


From the autopsy:

Toxicology (see attached report for full details; testing
performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at
9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine)
A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
6. Cotinine positive
7. Caffeine positive
B. Blood volatiles: negative for ethanol, methanol,
isopropanol, or acetone
C. Urine drug screen: presumptive positive for cannabinoids,
amphetamines, and fentanyl/metabolite
D. Urine drug screen confirmation: morphine (free) 86 ng/mL

He was way fucked up based on those numbers. Yes, if he was a regular opioid user, those fentanyl/norfentanyl/morphine readings might not be as severe a threat as to a "normal" person...but they're still substantial.
 
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Moonbeam

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I believe it was a mix of both. Chauvin SHOULD have been convicted of manslaughter...but the murder charges? Those were just "over-charging" to placate the mobs. I think the jury members remembered how things played out following the Rodney King trials...and voted accordingly.
How like a cult conformist to blame herd mentality. The prime relationship to the verdict and the conviction was the obvious guilt of the convicted to both average citizens and the jury.

All you are doing is projecting your own fear of breaking free of Stockholm syndrome.
 

ondma

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Here's how: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/20/us/chauvin-guilty-verdict-sentencing.html


Short summary, in case you can't get past the paywall:

The jury found Chauvin guilty of the following three charges:

1) causing the death of a human being, without intent, while committing or attempting to commit an assault (second-degree murder);
2) unintentionally causing a death by committing an act that is eminently dangerous to other persons while exhibiting a depraved mind, with reckless disregard for human life (third-degree murder);
3) and creating an unreasonable risk, by consciously taking the chance of causing death or great bodily harm to someone else (manslaughter).
Technically, the 2nd degree murder statue reads "while committing or attempting to commit a felony", which in this case assault would be. (Assault is not necessarily a felony, but it is if it causes serious bodily injury, which it obviously did.)

Strangely though, they did not charge him with assault, which would be a pre-requisite for second degree murder. I did not watch much of the trial, so I dont know how the prosecution/defense handled this. I would assume that the prosecution's contention is that "assault" was proven, even though they did not specifically charge Chauvin.
 

brycejones

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Restraining (beyond what would otherwise be normal) a drug-addled criminal who was resisting arrest.


From the autopsy:



He was way fucked up based on those numbers. Yes, if he was a regular opioid user, those fentanyl/norfentanyl/morphine readings might not be as severe a threat as to a "normal" person...but they're still substantial.
Seizures caused by oxygen deprivation is not resisting.
 

feralkid

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Probably paid actors and fake facades. I'm sure it was a hell scape behind the window dressing. I wonder how they covered up the stench of the bodies and the burnt buildings?


BLM Liberal/Progressive AOC Pelosi Gojira did a cannonball dive into the sound; localized tsunami cleansed all evidence.

Jewish Kaiju used orbiting Space Laser to save Capitol Hill.
 
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Jhhnn

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Meh. +/- 23% MOE is a junk poll. I also think the question posed in the OP is loaded, another example of flooding the zone with shit. A jury of honest & decent Americans did what they had to do to lock that rotten bastard up for a loooong time, which is as it should be. I doubt they had any considerations other than serving Justice.
 
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MrSquished

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I was in Manhattan today and can confirm that it is still there as well. Hell I remember being in Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens many times last summer and fall when half the GQP thought the whole joint was anarchy and burning and it was just dandy. These people are utterly useless humans.
 
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sao123

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Maybe @sao123 can enlighten us why he thinks Chauvin was innocent?

Why do people that complain about the lack of diverse opinions when asked, refuse to give it?

Its more of a technicality than anything. He was charged with the wrong crime,

The third degree murder charge does not meet the required criteria of "evincing a depraved mind".
The second degree murder charge does not meet "while committing or attempting to commit a felony" In this case a separate felony must committed and must be something other than the death itself, such as a theft, etc.
While the above second degree manslaughter charge applies correctly, first degree would have been more appropriate.

The most appropriate charge is:


609.20 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE FIRST DEGREE.
Whoever does any of the following is guilty of manslaughter in the first degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 15 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $30,000, or both:

(2) violates section 609.224 and causes the death of another or causes the death of another in committing or attempting to commit a misdemeanor or gross misdemeanor offense with such force and violence that death of or great bodily harm to any person was reasonably foreseeable, and murder in the first or second degree was not committed thereby;
 

brycejones

Lifer
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Its more of a technicality than anything. He was charged with the wrong crime,

The third degree murder charge does not meet the required criteria of "evincing a depraved mind".
The second degree murder charge does not meet "while committing or attempting to commit a felony" In this case a separate felony must committed and must be something other than the death itself, such as a theft, etc.
While the above second degree manslaughter charge applies correctly, first degree would have been more appropriate.

The most appropriate charge is:


609.20 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE FIRST DEGREE.
Whoever does any of the following is guilty of manslaughter in the first degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 15 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $30,000, or both:

(2) violates section 609.224 and causes the death of another or causes the death of another in committing or attempting to commit a misdemeanor or gross misdemeanor offense with such force and violence that death of or great bodily harm to any person was reasonably foreseeable, and murder in the first or second degree was not committed thereby;
Did you get a Criminal justice degree through the mail as well?
 

brycejones

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He's arguing just to argue. It's not like he was there in the Jury Box.
Sao123 is just repeating talking points he has been fed actually. I am sure there is a YouTube video making that exact argument.
Getting a degree even from a school with lax academic standards would be a step up for sao123 who has railed against college and education.
 
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