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POLL: Cincinnati Man's Death

It was unforseen death as the intent was to subdue, not kill , but I think the pounding the police gave him was exessive for the feeble resistance he put up based on what I saw on the tape.
 
he was an irate drug addict 400 pound man swinging at the cops. its not like he was a priest trying to give a sermon...
 
ok well ill say it first, please dont flame it in this thread, take it to the other thread (aka dont argue with supertool)

MIKE
 
SOP for Police, the guy would have been much worse off (if you can worse off than death) if that had happened in a club, bouncers are not that nice to "crazy people."
 
Just heard an interview with the Cincinnati Mayor who mentioned the cops knwe they were on tape, and one of the orig officers turned the tape on when things started getting ugly.

He also mentioned they're going to look into air Tazers for the officers. I'm betting one wouldn't have taken him down & he would have ended up getting shot by 3 of them and died from it.
 
Well, I had no doubt the police were not at fault until I found out that it's actually legal in Ohio to resist arrest if you are being unlawfully arrested... and given the racial tensions in Cincinnati, it's not unreasonable for him to have believed that. I'm kind of on the fence now, leaning toward the police being in the right... but I don't know all of the facts, particularly what happened before what you can see on the tapes, so I'm in no position to judge (nor does my opinion matter one bit)
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It was unforseen death as the intent was to subdue, not kill , but I think the pounding the police gave him was exessive for the feeble resistance he put up based on what I saw on the tape.
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The coroners report states that he had no internal injuries that would have contributed to his death. In other words, the cops werent taking head shots. Excessively fat man + PCP + coke + demanding physical exercise = heart attack.

And I would hardly call the resistance of a 350lbs man on PCP and coke "feeble". Ineffective, yes... feeble, no.
 
Originally posted by: mugsywwiii
Well, I had no doubt the police were not at fault until I found out that it's actually legal in Ohio to resist arrest if you are being unlawfully arrested... and given the racial tensions in Cincinnati, it's not unreasonable for him to have believed that. I'm kind of on the fence now, leaning toward the police being in the right... but I don't know all of the facts, particularly what happened before what you can see on the tapes, so I'm in no position to judge (nor does my opinion matter one bit)
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That is a very interesting law.
Race tensions or not, I can see a very large can of worms being opened up with this.

 
it's actually legal in Ohio to resist arrest if you are being unlawfully arrested...
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Wow, so a person gets to run a court case in a split second and use their limited legal knowledge to determine if they are being lawfully or unlawfully arrested? Sounds like a silly rule.
 
The cops were right. That idiot just kept right on fighting. If I were in their position, facing down a 350lb behemoth, I wouldn't use the fvcking stick. Back up a few steps, pull the .45 and unload the clip if he starts moving in my direction.
 
I agreed with the police at first, but after hearing more about the news, I'm withholding my judgement (and quite a few of you should too). The biggest thing was, there was a minute and a half of tape that was....I'd like to say erased, but can't be sure. One thing for sure is that that minute of missing tape is being investigated, so it's something suspicious.

And I live in Cincinnati, racial tensions are very real here, despite what many of you may think.
 
Originally posted by: ScottyB
Criminal Homicide

Those police need to be in jail.
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Why? Because a crazy, 350lbs. man started swinging at them, and they followed SOP to defend themselves? I'm glad you're not a important figure in our judicial system.
 
Hmmm... I can't decide. You can't see what's going on after he's on the ground in front of the cruiser. But there were like 4 cops obviously sitting on the guy for a couple of minutes while he is crying out for help/pain (can't make it out) and then he goes quiet. Oh, and drop the "he's 350 lbs" BS. He was just a fat ass that could barely even get up after they got him down the first time. Hardly scary.
 
I agree its hard to say. Normally in these cases, I side with the police--mainly because I strongly believe people should follow any reasonable order given to them by a peace officer. Once you become violent towards an officer, you are always taking your life into your own hands. However, it does appear that these cops beat him a little more than they had to.*

If I were the mayor/DA etc, I might have them fired, but they would not face criminal charges (At least based on the facts I know about right now)

*It's hard to second guess someone who is involved in a fight, but do keep in mind, the cops knew they would eventually get the upper hand - there were five of them and one of him. I guess it also depends partially on the PCP he took before hand.. was it still affecting his strength?
 
When 3 police officers tell you to lay on the ground with your hands behind your back, and you don't do it, then just made mistake #1. When you take a swing at a cop you made mistake #2. When you continuously get back up instead of staying down, then that's mistake #3.

The dude was probably coked out of his mind and did double duty - one made him very aggressive and hard to take down, and two - made his not-so-healthy ticker go BOOM!

I'd like to see three average sized people on this forum try and take down a coked out 350 pound dude.
 
I'd like to see three average sized people on this forum try and take down a coked out 350 pound dude.
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LOL... did you even watch the video? The guy could barely even get off the ground due to his size.
 
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Hmmm... I can't decide. You can't see what's going on after he's on the ground in front of the cruiser. But there were like 4 cops obviously sitting on the guy for a couple of minutes while he is crying out for help/pain (can't make it out) and then he goes quiet. Oh, and drop the "he's 350 lbs" BS. He was just a fat ass that could barely even get up after they got him down the first time. Hardly scary.
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You can't even tell if he went all the way down, genius. The camera doesn't see past the hood (If I remember the video properly, it doesn't even see to the level of the hood)
 
Originally posted by: Thraxen
I'd like to see three average sized people on this forum try and take down a coked out 350 pound dude.
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LOL... did you even watch the video? The guy could barely even get off the ground due to his size.
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Did you even watch the video? With his arms flailing, he could have easily broken an officer's ribs, or nailed one of em in the junk. Just because he wasn't eye level with the cops doesn't mean he can't do some bad damage.
 
I'd say the cops are in the clear, however I'm wondering why white people aren't getting their asses beat by cops until they die, and if they are, why aren't we hearing about it? I think the police AND the media have some explaining to do.
 
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