Poll: Can I get a grammar Nazi?

[Chaotic42]

Clippy, lord of all that is grammatical, says that this sentence is incorrect:

"It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery is ended and man allowed to be free all across the land, no matter his color."

He says that it should be:

"It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery is ended and man allowed being free all across the land, no matter his color."

That just doesn't sound right.

What do you think?

 

[Bulk Beef]

Clippy is high.

 

[Mr N8]

It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery is ended and man be allowed freedom all across the land, no matter his color.

That's how I would phrase it, but Clippy's is both confusing and wrong.

 

[djheater]

capitalise Man and you'll probably make him happy.

 

[Viper GTS]

Neither option is very good, try to figure out a better way to say it.

Run-ons are bad, mkay?

Oh, and quite relying on a PC for grammar checking. Spell checking is OK.

Viper GTS

 

[ECUHITMAN]

neither sound right.. But if I had to pick one of the two I would pick the one that says "...man allowed to be free..." That obviously doesn't make it grammatically correct, but it does sound better than "...man allowed being free.."

 

[torpid]

Clippy is way off. I'm not sure the original one is correct either. It may be. I think it may need an is somewhere in the man allowed vacinity.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: djheater
capitalise Man and you'll probably make him happy.

Nah, I get the same thing.

That's a run-on sentence? Grammar is one of my worst subjects.

 

[GasX]

Clippy is high and you are using grammatically correct but inelegant language.

Try:

For both the mind and the soul of our country, it is imperative that slavery is ended and man is allowed to be free all across the land, no matter his color.

or even better:

Yo, we gots to be gettin our freedom on for all our peoples iffen we wanna gets to the promised land!

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Clippy, lord of all that is grammatical, says that this sentence is incorrect:

"It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery is ended and man allowed to be free all across the land, no matter his color."

He says that it should be:

"It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery is ended and man allowed being free all across the land, no matter his color."

That just doesn't sound right.

What do you think?

Here's how I would write it:

It is imperative for both the mind and soul of our country that slavery be abolished. Man, no matter his color, deserves this basic freedom.

 

[welst10]

It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery be ended and man be allowed to be free all across the land, no matter his color

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Clippy, lord of all that is grammatical, says that this sentence is incorrect:

"It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery is ended and man allowed to be free all across the land, no matter his color."

He says that it should be:

"It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery is ended and man allowed being free all across the land, no matter his color."

That just doesn't sound right.

What do you think?

Here's how I would write it:

It is imperative for both the mind and soul of our country that slavery be abolished. Man, no matter his color, deserves this basic freedom.

bingo, the sentence as a whole is pretty messed up and deserves to be rewritten, especially the commas.

But the latter sentence isn't correct...

It is imperative that slavery is ended and man allowed being free.

nope, doesn't fly.

Simpler version - It is imperative that man allowed being free.

Still basic clause subject/verb case disagreement.

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
Clippy is high and you are using grammatically correct but inelegant language.

Try:

For both the mind and the soul of our country, it is imperative that slavery is ended and man is allowed to be free all across the land, no matter his color.

or even better:

Yo, we gots to be gettin our freedom on for all our peoples iffen we wanna gets to the promised land!

LOL!:laugh:

 

[dullard]

I'm not gooder at grammer than yous are. But, I think the sentence is poorly written either way. They are both run on sentences, but that isn't the topic we are discussing.

To diagnose grammer problems, I typically cut out the unnecessary stuff. So this becomes (after successive deletions of phrases that aren't important to the grammer error):
[*]"It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery is ended and man allowed to be free all across the land, no matter his color."
[*]"It is imperative that slavery is ended and man allowed to be free all across the land, no matter his color."
[*]"It is imperative that slavery is ended and man allowed to be free all across the land."
[*]"It is imperative that slavery is ended and man allowed to be free."
[*]"It is imperative that man allowed to be free."

See how by taking out the fluff, we get down to the real grammer question. Does that last sentance make sense? If not, then change it. Then add the other phrases back in. Note 1: I personally wouldn't put them all in, as that sounds like a run-on sentence. Note 2: the other phrases may not be correct, so you may choose to focus on them as well.

 

[ABitTooSpicy]

Originally posted by: welst10
It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery be ended and man be allowed to be free all across the land, no matter his color

I think your sentence is grammatically correct, but you are changing the meaning of the sentence...

Clippy I think is right here... or "righter" (more right, yada yada)

"It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery is ended and man allowed being free all across the land, no matter his color."

As welst10 pointed out, the is and the being have to agree... and in Chaotic42's version they do not agree... someone go post this on some teacher's forum or something lol...

 

[Yossarian]

Clippy doesn't know his grammatical ass from his elbow.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: dullard
I'm not gooder at grammer than yous are. But, I think the sentence is poorly written either way. They are both run on sentences, but that isn't the topic we are discussing.

To diagnose grammer problems, I typically cut out the unnecessary stuff. So this becomes after successive deletions of phrases that aren't important to the grammer error:
[*]"It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery is ended and man allowed to be free all across the land, no matter his color."
[*]"It is imperative that slavery is ended and man allowed to be free all across the land, no matter his color."
[*]"It is imperative that slavery is ended and man allowed to be free all across the land."
[*]"It is imperative that slavery is ended and man allowed to be free."
[*]"It is imperative that man allowed to be free."

See how by taking out the fluff, we get down to the real grammer question. Does that last sentance make sense? If not change it. Then add the other phrases back it. (Note: I personally wouldn't put them all in, as that sounds like a run-on sentence).

your last one is still two clauses.

We can break it down even more!!!! Wahoo!

It is imperative.
Man allowed to be free.

So to fix...
It is imperative
Man is allowed to be free

it is imperative that man is allowed to be free.

 

[Chaotic42]

Clippy likes this:

"It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery be ended and Man allowed to be free all across the land, no matter his color."

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: welst10
It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery be ended and man be allowed to be free all across the land, no matter his color

It is imperative for both the mind and the soul of our country that slavery is ended and man is allowed to be free all across the land no matter his color.

Now its just a run on sentence. correct grammar, but still run on.

 

[johnjbruin]

both dont sound right.

 

[welst10]

Originally posted by: johnjbruin
Neither sounds right.

fixed the grammar error for ya

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: welst10

Originally posted by: johnjbruin
Neither sounds right.

fixed the grammar error for ya

Are you going to post in a grammer thread without capital letters and without punctuations?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: welst10

Originally posted by: johnjbruin
Neither sounds right.

fixed the grammar error for ya

Are you going to post in a grammer thread without capital letters and without punctuations?

Are you going to post in a grammar thread without checking your spelling or using some made up word like "punctuations?"

That's like saying - geeses.



Do they require english for a PHD?

heheehheh,
Just messin' with ya.

 

[welst10]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: welst10

Originally posted by: johnjbruin
Neither sounds right.

fixed the grammar error for ya

Are you going to post in a grammer thread without capital letters and without punctuations?

I consider that (capital vs lower case) more of a spelling and format issue, not a grammar issue. Grammar affects the meaning of sentences, while the case of letters does not.

 

[whattaguy]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Clippy, lord of all that is grammatical, says that this sentence is incorrect:

"It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery is ended and man allowed to be free all across the land, no matter his color."

He says that it should be:

"It is imperative, for both the mind and the soul of our country, that slavery is ended and man allowed being free all across the land, no matter his color."

That just doesn't sound right.

What do you think?

Let me give it a go.

"It is imperative, for both the mind and the sould of our country, that slavery is ended allowing man freedom all across the land no matter his color."