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poll: barton on a kt333 board?
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Markfw
Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
My KX7333r (according to Abit) won't support the 333 bus, since it is a KT333cd chip, whereas my A7V333 ASUS will support it with a KT333Cce chip. I may have got the cd vs ce part a little off, but Abit tech support replied with something like this when I asked why I couldn't get the Abit to upgrade to 333 bus, but the ASUS worked after a bios flash when they both have KT333 chipsets. I was so pissed, I deleted the email, so don't hold me to the actual chipset variation number, but other than that this is correct, so SOME kt333 boards will work and some won't. I said yes only because there were only two choices, and one of mine will work, and I am getting one almost regardless, but I WILL read the reviews first, and I already flashed my bios and got a new HSF to be ready.
it makes no sense to me that some kt333 chipsets work on the 333 bus and others don't. couldn't you just manually set your multipliers and bus speeds, pop in the chip, and go?
i know that my board will run on the 166/333 bus, i've done it before with my athlon xp.
lousy abit...
maybe i'll be stuck with my 1900+ for longer than i had thought.
i know that my board will run on the 166/333 bus, i've done it before with my athlon xp.
lousy abit...
maybe i'll be stuck with my 1900+ for longer than i had thought.
if i remember correctly, the KT333ce revision was to enable 333mhz support.
that's why some KT333 mobos support the 333mhz FSB
check the revision on the northbridge if you want to be sure
OTOH, i'm not sure whether the KT333 will support the L2 512kb cache
correct me if i am wrong
🙂
that's why some KT333 mobos support the 333mhz FSB
check the revision on the northbridge if you want to be sure
OTOH, i'm not sure whether the KT333 will support the L2 512kb cache
correct me if i am wrong
🙂
Noid
Platinum Member
I can confirm the 333fsb is supported on my KX7-333
click my AMDbox ... Im at 11.5 x 189.4 = 2177 with my xp2600(333) unlocked
I have access to no multipliers over 12.5 thou.
And Abit only supports up to the xp2600 at the moment ..
I think if ABIT thinks it can support the Barton they will change the BIOS description to say it does.
(they are good about BIOS updates)
So .. I guess you could try it like I did... dunno about the 512 cache either...
My KT333 is stamped with this ...
VIA KT333
0215CE taiwan
22A4022200
click my AMDbox ... Im at 11.5 x 189.4 = 2177 with my xp2600(333) unlocked
I have access to no multipliers over 12.5 thou.
And Abit only supports up to the xp2600 at the moment ..
I think if ABIT thinks it can support the Barton they will change the BIOS description to say it does.
(they are good about BIOS updates)
So .. I guess you could try it like I did... dunno about the 512 cache either...
My KT333 is stamped with this ...
VIA KT333
0215CE taiwan
22A4022200
MSI KT3 Ultra 2 can do the 166/333 CPU bus no problem.
However, the KT3 Ultra and the KT3 Ultra 2C cannot do those CPU's.
However, the KT3 Ultra and the KT3 Ultra 2C cannot do those CPU's.
Markfw
Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
Noid, I am glad to hear that you can run 333 FSB. I was very pissed when Abit said it wouldn't work, but the ASUS would. I deleted the email(I was so pissed), so I have nothing to prove this, but the text of my message was essentially correct as far as what they said. I will be ordering a Barton, and it if doesn't work in my KX7333, then I will just have to put it in my A7V333. This may be my last Abit board unless they end up eating thier words.
Edit: Sparks, my A7V333 is only a version 1.01, so this may be interesting.... Stay tuned... I may be weeks (I wait for the prices to come down a little) But I will have aBarton working in one of my boxes.
ViRGE
Elite Member, Moderator Emeritus
Mark, there's really nothing Abit did wrong, nor can do. The KT333 was initially designed by VIA simply as a newer version of the 266A, which fixed some errata, added a couple of minor features, and enabled a 333mhz memory bus to try to eek out more performance. At the time, no one thought AMD would boost the bus(why bother, the Hammer was going to be out soon). Once VIA realized this, they added the nessisary multipliers and did the proper testing to authorize it for the 166mhz bus, but the KT333 was already in production. If you want to be mad, be mad at VIA; Abit is simply caught in the middle here.
Actually, I agree with Mark. Abit is TERRIBLE about discontinuing support on their motherboards so that they can shove their next version down your throat. I remember my KT7-RAID. ABIT was SSOOOOO proud of their three-phase power that would "future-proof" the board with upcoming CPUs. So what happens? Within a few months, they release the KT7A which is now compatible with the XP series, but the 3 month old KT7 isn't. So sorry. Buy our new board if you want support. But every other board manufacturer out there had a BIOS flash that enabled XP support.
Same thing today. I have a KR7A-RAID and KR7A-133RAID. Both (according to Abit) only support up to a 2100+ T-Bred "A" core and 2000+ "B" core when other board manufacturer using the 266A show faster chips being compatible. You know why? To make you buy a new board if you want to upgrade! It's been proven by users (just check AmdMB.com) that the 2400+ and 2600+ XPs (266 variety) work just fine with the 9N Bios. Why hasn't Abit updated their site to reflect this? THEY WANT YOU TO BUY A NEW BOARD! Abit seems to be the worst manufacturer for trying to force your board into early retirement instead of continuing to suport it like they should.
Same thing today. I have a KR7A-RAID and KR7A-133RAID. Both (according to Abit) only support up to a 2100+ T-Bred "A" core and 2000+ "B" core when other board manufacturer using the 266A show faster chips being compatible. You know why? To make you buy a new board if you want to upgrade! It's been proven by users (just check AmdMB.com) that the 2400+ and 2600+ XPs (266 variety) work just fine with the 9N Bios. Why hasn't Abit updated their site to reflect this? THEY WANT YOU TO BUY A NEW BOARD! Abit seems to be the worst manufacturer for trying to force your board into early retirement instead of continuing to suport it like they should.
CaptnKirk
Lifer
The Abit AT7-MAX2, C5 BIOS appears to bring that board up to the 333 FSB, but that was build
on the KT400 Chipset, they just did not bring the capability up until the CPU product was available.
Hopefully they will Rev the BIOS for those KT333 that are already out there, as the architecture on the board should be in place.
on the KT400 Chipset, they just did not bring the capability up until the CPU product was available.
Hopefully they will Rev the BIOS for those KT333 that are already out there, as the architecture on the board should be in place.
ViRGE
Elite Member, Moderator Emeritus
Creig, I'm going to say the same thing I said to Mark here. The KT7 line of boards was based upon the KT133 chipset, whch was the first Socket-A chipset, which only supported the 100mhz FSB. VIA later released the KT133A, which included support for the 133mhz FSB(besides the lack of multipliers, the old 133 wasn't even stable past 120mhz or so). I'm sure Abit would love to give you support for better CPUs on the KT7, but VIA leaves their hands tied in this case.