Poll at R3D: X1800XT vs 512 MB 7800 GTX

[5150Joker]

If you look at the poll results and who voted for what, SirEric voted for the option that says, " Ati will release its r580 monster and sweep the floor with nvidia". Hmm wonder if that's just ATi pride or telling of a possible quick ATi response?

Thread link: http://rage3d.com/board/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=4831

 

[Pocatello]

Sure ATi could release the r580 now, but what about the X1800XT?

 

[TecHNooB]

The X1800XT has no chance >:O

Deploy the R580's!

 

[moonboy403]

so what next.....nv 9 series is gonna come out?! =P

 

[Pete]

Hmmm, the first and last poll choices aren't really exclusive, and I'd be inclined to choose both. I think Eric's vote kind of reflects his job more than anything, but a 600+MHz G70 vs. a 600+MHz R580 will be very interesting. 24 pipes with two ALUs and one texture unit per pipe vs. 48 pipes with ~1.5 ALU per pipe and 16 separate TMUs.

That's assuming nV just beefs up G70's clocks to compete with R580. They could always add more pipes.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
Sure ATi could release the r580 now, but what about the X1800XT?

what about nVidia? they are releasing the 512MB 7800GTX now, but what about the lower-clocked 256MB GTX?
:Q

ATI will get their new card out as quickly as they can . . . just as the the x800 xFire is a 'dud' - the x1800/x1900s won't be . . . and nVidia will have to answer with G80.

i am STILL looking for a high-end [new] agp card

 

[RampantAndroid]

AGP is dead man...nV has already said no new AGP cards are to come...it ends with the 6800U...

 

[akugami]

A 6800 or X850 is still a darn fine card so AGP gaming is not dead. You just won't be seeing the 7800's or X1800's on them. Or at least very unlikely. By all accounts the R580 is right along schedule as if the R520 didn't have that 3 month delay. If that's the case ATI needs to concede that they lost this round, release the R580's ASAP. Perhaps in late Jan to late Feb. Try to beat nVidia to the punch for the next round.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: akugami
A 6800 or X850 is still a darn fine card so AGP gaming is not dead. You just won't be seeing the 7800's or X1800's on them. Or at least very unlikely. By all accounts the R580 is right along schedule as if the R520 didn't have that 3 month delay. If that's the case ATI needs to concede that they lost this round, release the R580's ASAP. Perhaps in late Jan to late Feb. Try to beat nVidia to the punch for the next round.

cebit.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Pocatello
Sure ATi could release the r580 now, but what about the X1800XT?

what about nVidia? they are releasing the 512MB 7800GTX now, but what about the lower-clocked 256MB GTX?
:Q

ATI will get their new card out as quickly as they can . . . just as the the x800 xFire is a 'dud' - the x1800/x1900s won't be . . . and nVidia will have to answer with G80.

i am STILL looking for a high-end [new] agp card

what about nvidia? the 7800 GTX had plenty of time on the market and it will continue to sell at a lower price point. if ATi releases 580 in the near future, they wouldnt have givin the 1800xt a shot at the market

anyway, the inquirer reported that the 580 is close to completion which is not surprising since they have different development teams workin on the cards

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: akugami
A 6800 or X850 is still a darn fine card so AGP gaming is not dead. You just won't be seeing the 7800's or X1800's on them. Or at least very unlikely. By all accounts the R580 is right along schedule as if the R520 didn't have that 3 month delay. If that's the case ATI needs to concede that they lost this round, release the R580's ASAP. Perhaps in late Jan to late Feb. Try to beat nVidia to the punch for the next round.

cebit.

when is cebit?

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: dug777

cebit.

when is cebit?

Cebit

 

[Pocatello]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Pocatello
Sure ATi could release the r580 now, but what about the X1800XT?

what about nVidia? they are releasing the 512MB 7800GTX now, but what about the lower-clocked 256MB GTX?
:Q

ATI will get their new card out as quickly as they can . . . just as the the x800 xFire is a 'dud' - the x1800/x1900s won't be . . . and nVidia will have to answer with G80.

i am STILL looking for a high-end [new] agp card

The 256MB 7800GTX has been out for a while now, and the price has been dropping a bit since. The X1800XT has been availabe for just a few days, with the sticker price around $600. The 512MB 7800GTX should be higher than $600 (it would be too funny if it cost the same as the X1800XT). Anyway, if you know the r580 is going to be released right after nvidia drops the bomb with the 512MB 7800GTX in a couple of weeks, are you going to buy the X1800XT now at full price, or are you going to wait?

 

[ZobarStyl]

I can't believe people are actually thinking about when R580 is coming out. They just now managed to release a tiny handful of R520's, you can't think R580 is anywhere near completion, much less with 3x the pipes. Plus, the numbers for the 512mb GTX are still just speculation at this point as well.

That being said, an ATi employee better vote for his own product; it would speak volumes not to believe in what you sell.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: akugami
A 6800 or X850 is still a darn fine card so AGP gaming is not dead. You just won't be seeing the 7800's or X1800's on them. Or at least very unlikely. By all accounts the R580 is right along schedule as if the R520 didn't have that 3 month delay. If that's the case ATI needs to concede that they lost this round, release the R580's ASAP. Perhaps in late Jan to late Feb. Try to beat nVidia to the punch for the next round.

yeah but isnt that kinda screwing customers that odered x1800's? i mean theyre not even widely available yet.....(no one online shop doesnt = wide spread) and theyre gonna role out a brand new core?

yes theyve lost this round, but id imagine they'd lose customers as well if they released R580 next month or something

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: akugami
A 6800 or X850 is still a darn fine card so AGP gaming is not dead. You just won't be seeing the 7800's or X1800's on them. Or at least very unlikely. By all accounts the R580 is right along schedule as if the R520 didn't have that 3 month delay. If that's the case ATI needs to concede that they lost this round, release the R580's ASAP. Perhaps in late Jan to late Feb. Try to beat nVidia to the punch for the next round.

The 7800GT beats the 6800U out...I get much better framerates with Far Cry & Doom 3 at all high settings...I think if looking to buy a good new videocard (and you still have an AGP mobo) dump the mobo...ESPECIALLY if it is a 939, because you can get PCI-e 939s without the loss of the Proc.

The 7800GT is priced the same or less than a 6800U, and kicks the 6800's butt. Not worth buying a 6800U at this point, unless it is REALLY cheap.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
If you look at the poll results and who voted for what, SirEric voted for the option that says, " Ati will release its r580 monster and sweep the floor with nvidia". Hmm wonder if that's just ATi pride or telling of a possible quick ATi response?

Thread link: http://rage3d.com/board/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=4831

I seem to remember ATI touting massive increases in performance over the GTX. Ill take it with a grain of salt.

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid

Originally posted by: akugami
A 6800 or X850 is still a darn fine card so AGP gaming is not dead. You just won't be seeing the 7800's or X1800's on them. Or at least very unlikely. By all accounts the R580 is right along schedule as if the R520 didn't have that 3 month delay. If that's the case ATI needs to concede that they lost this round, release the R580's ASAP. Perhaps in late Jan to late Feb. Try to beat nVidia to the punch for the next round.

The 7800GT beats the 6800U out...I get much better framerates with Far Cry & Doom 3 at all high settings...I think if looking to buy a good new videocard (and you still have an AGP mobo) dump the mobo...ESPECIALLY if it is a 939, because you can get PCI-e 939s without the loss of the Proc.

The 7800GT is priced the same or less than a 6800U, and kicks the 6800's butt. Not worth buying a 6800U at this point, unless it is REALLY cheap.

The majority of the gameplaying public doesn't have $500-600 video cards or even $400 cards. Most gamers are likely to only have a $200-250 video card. And what you say doesn't disprove what I say. AGP can still provide a good gaming experience so unless you got a lot of extra cash lying around, you needn't feel pressured into spending hundreds of dollars to play a game.

My point is that AGP systems are still very good gaming systems provided you're not trying to run at 1600x1200 or higher resolutions. AGP based video cards did not suddenly have a countdown timer that disabled every video card as soon as PCIE video cards went to market. Something like 1280x1024 is still very good resolution and most 17" and 19" LCD's made now run natively at this resolution. I have a friend who plays Farcry, HL2 and CoD2 on a Radeon 9800. Yes, having lots of bells & whistles are great. yes, having higher resolutions in games is great. However, you do not need every whiz bang feature enabled and you don't need 1600x1200 resolutions to enjoy a game.

 

[tuteja1986]

ATI should admit defeat or reduce tha x1800xt price to below $450 ~ then the 7800GTX will have good compition and launch R580 to fight back against 7800GTX 512MB! then power blance would be on par : )

ATI would have less problem launching R600 : () but then again they need to be really perpaired to fight back the next gen : ( ... I am hating the GPU lifecycle ! too quickly the G70,R520 would die

 

[Matt2]

They wont do it. They're gonna milk the X1800 series for all its worth. No sense losing all the money they did in vain.

 

[BenSkywalker]

They're gonna milk the X1800 series for all its worth. No sense losing all the money they did in vain.

They R580 is part of the x1K series. If they don't come out with something and nV ends up shipping the rumored 512MB GTX(spec wise) they will certainly need something on the high end above their current offerings- the 1800xt wouldn't stand a chance.

 

[SH3200]

Just wanted to point this out here even though I dont post here much... the longer they hold the R580 back the less profits they will potentially make out of it. Because when vista is released, you know the IHVs will want to have a GFX card shipping for DX10 a month before then, so they can get them into OEMs. The shelf life of the R580/G75 if released early to mid next year would be EXTREMELY short if vista ships anytime next year.

Just pointing out something that both companies will look at before setting their timetable for new products. Although ATI/nvidia might pull something like the 9700 where they released the hardware before the finalized software was even out.