Poll: are you more worried about the future of healthcare NOW than before the bill??

[ProfJohn]

I am just wondering how many others are more worried about the future of our healthcare system now than before this bill was signed.

Having seen government run schools, post offices, libraries, healthcare etc etc I get the feeling that what we are going to get in the long run is going to be much worse than what we have today.

In fact, what I think we are going to learn is that the people who currently have healthcare are going to be much worse off in the future than they are now. Our premiums are going to go up and our quality of service is going to go down.

That is inevitable, you can not increase the number of people covered by healthcare insurance by 10% and not expect higher overall costs and longer wait times.

The only people who will benefit from this bill will be those who can not get insurance today and poor people who will get highly subsidized healthcare insurance.

 

[Turin39789]

Not particularly, its my bread and butter.

Hopefully it will move some people out of the ER and into the Dr's office, but yea we will have to hire some more doctors as people get treated instead of dying.

 

[UberNeuman]

ah, PJ, all the insight of a magic 8-ball....

/future cloudy...

 

[Zebo]

Not worried at all.
1. HC premiums will rise by 300% and public will screm bloody murder and Dems have not lost initive. It will still be "Greedy Insurance" "Greedy Pharma" and they will fix that with single payer and price controls accorss the board like Japan or EU.

2. Care will probably go down a bit for middle class with todays good insurance plans but not too much.

3. There will be private systems developed to skirt around 1&2 for those with means and nothing will change.

 

[Infohawk]

You're missing the, "nothing has changed" option.

This bill doesn't deal with the ever-inflated cost of health care. Nothing has changed that.

 

[theeedude]

No, I am much less worried now. One thing I don't need to worry is if I get sick, the insurance company can't find some BS excuse to rescind my coverage and tell me to FOAD. And if I do get a pre-existing condition at some point, I will still be able to get insurance instead of going bankrupt from medical bills. In exchange I am mandated to get insurance, but currently I get it from my employer anyways, and asked to subsidize the poor which I do indirectly anyways when they get care at the ER. I'd rather subsidize them to get insurance and see a regular doctor instead subsidize them to get all their care at the ER.

 

[JSt0rm]

Not worried at all.
1. HC premiums will rise by 300% and public will screm bloody murder and Dems have not lost initive. It will still be "Greedy Insurance" "Greedy Pharma" and they will fix that with single payer and price controls accorss the board like Japan or EU.

actually you bring up a good point but wouldn't these companies realize that if they go to far they will be voted out of an industry?

 

[JSt0rm]

. I'd rather subsidize them to get insurance and see a regular doctor instead subsidize them to get all their care at the ER.

but then they live. The dead are cheap. :hmm:

 

[RedChief]

actually you bring up a good point but wouldn't these companies realize that if they go to far they will be voted out of an industry?

Some of the left wing leadership in congress already think that pharma and insurance should not earn a profit.

Pharm w/o profit = buh-bye new drugs.


And as to the costs, medicare cost almost 10 times the projected amounts after 25 years (110b vs 12b proj in 1990). Nothing the government does comes even close to budget projections. Nothing.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Post office? You think UPS would deliver a letter to some hick in the boonies for free?

Libraries? Most if not all of the public libraries around me are doing great, even gone through some renovations.

How about our police force, fire departments, NASA, or the military? All great services provided and run by our government. Last time I checked, our military was the best in the world.

So lets say we do nothing about the 30 million uninsured. Guess who ends up paying when one of them gets into a car accident? I really do not understand the opposition to this bill. In the long run this bill will alleviate the tax burden put on by these uninsured individuals. To believe that there will be a sudden influx of 30 million people now requiring health care is just idiotic. The 30 million uninsured have been receiving health care on the tax payers dime since day one.

 

[Matthiasa]

Well as I have a so called preexisting condition... take a guess.
People known to need organ transplants( or alternatives) at some future time tend to not get get coverage so easily.

 

[TruePaige]

but then they live. The dead are cheap. :hmm:

Not according to all those term life commercials I hear...

 

[JSt0rm]

Well as I have a so called preexisting condition... take a guess.
People known to need organ transplants( or alternatives) at some future time tend to not get get coverage so easily.

sorry for u bro. I'm glad u will get what u need now for sure

 

[sportage]

Oh... So I should fell sorry that Cigna and Wellmark might not get the chance to send most of us into bankruptcy after all?
PS. Stay tuned. More pro-American consumer healthcare reform to come.
That is.. if republicans don't return us back to the dark ages of an unregulated insurance industry.

 

[Jaskalas]

You could say I'm more concerned now that federal employees will be required to submit records of their federal property. (Doctors and your medical records)

 

[Genx87]

I wouldnt say I am more worried. I just think we have taken a different path to destruction.

 

[zsdersw]

This poll needs "neither" and "equally" options.

 

[nobodyknows]

but then they live. The dead are cheap. :hmm:

But the walking dead aren't.

The Dem's need to keep pushing healthcare reform or they will end up looking worse then Bush.

 

[Tristicus]

Well the world didn't explode so I think I'm okay for now.

 

[rudder]

ah, PJ, all the insight of a magic 8-ball....

/future cloudy...

The future is crystal clear. Take the state of Tennessee for instance. The state has a $1 billion budget shortfall this fiscal year. We can handle it. However, new obamacare mandates means the state has to come up with another $400,000,000 per year in tax revenue to cover those costs. This is projected for at least the next 5 years. More money out of my pocket.

Now everyone worker will be covered by health insurance. Businesses will have to pass this cost on to the consumers. More money out of my pocket.

Taxes will increase across the board federally to pay for all the healthcare subsidies. More money out of my pocket.

My discretionary spending money is wiped out.

obamacare will not reduce the deficit. the CBO said it would, but they were bound by the data that the white house provided them. The reductions are to come from places such as the new government student loan business ($19 billion in profits for Uncle Sam and banks will offset these losses by adding more fees), health care fines ($100+ billion which will these fines will not pass the constitutionality check), $460 billion from trimming medicare costs (actually shifting those costs to the states... $400,000,000 per year for tennessee).

So what do you think will happen?

One of two things....

1) Another tax increase when it is realized projections were way off (A lesson learned by Tennessee... you give out an entitlement... people will use it like it is going out of style) and the deficit rises rather than falls.

or

2) healthcare will be rationed to the point where people will be driving to Mexico for an MRI rather than wait a year.

The future is crystal clear and unfortunately Mexico is a long drive for me.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

actually you bring up a good point but wouldn't these companies realize that if they go to far they will be voted out of an industry?

My biggest concern would be loopholes and insurance companies exploiting them.

 

[nobodyknows]

I am just wondering how many others are more worried about the future of our healthcare system now than before this bill was signed.

Having seen government run schools, post offices, libraries, healthcare etc etc I get the feeling that what we are going to get in the long run is going to be much worse than what we have today.

In fact, what I think we are going to learn is that the people who currently have healthcare are going to be much worse off in the future than they are now. Our premiums are going to go up and our quality of service is going to go down.

That is inevitable, you can not increase the number of people covered by healthcare insurance by 10% and not expect higher overall costs and longer wait times.

It's not going to happen over night, so you won't even notice what little increase in wait times there may be. Don't forget the hospitals/clinics will have more income to add more doctors/nurses/staff over the coming 4 years as this plan is implemented.

The only people who will benefit from this bill will be those who can not get insurance today and poor people who will get highly subsidized healthcare insurance.

Well, that's a start isn't it. Much better then what the R's were doing. We all know they can't get anything done unless they can profit, rape and/or kill someone. Or are you saying that after all this time the R's have a better plan?? ROTFLMFAO!!

 

[Soltis]

You could say I'm more concerned now that federal employees will be required to submit records of their federal property. (Doctors and your medical records)

this ^

 

[Mursilis]

This bill doesn't deal with the ever-inflated cost of health care. Nothing has changed that.

Exactly, which is why I'm not worried about the future of healthcare, I'm worried about the future costs of healthcare. Costs are definitely going to go up, like they have in every state which has tried to jump on the universal healthcare bandwagon. But then, exploding costs are ultimately good, since it will lead the US to its Greece crisis sooner. Might as well get that moment out of the way.

 

[waggy]

Not worried at all.
1. HC premiums will rise by 300% and public will screm bloody murder and Dems have not lost initive. It will still be "Greedy Insurance" "Greedy Pharma" and they will fix that with single payer and price controls accorss the board like Japan or EU.

2. Care will probably go down a bit for middle class with todays good insurance plans but not too much.

3. There will be private systems developed to skirt around 1&2 for those with means and nothing will change.

I think you are dead on.

the poor/middle class are going to get the brunt of it. Care is going to go down. But the rich are going to be able to skirt around it and pay for better coverage.