POLL: Are You in Favor of a Fat Tax?

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nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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I find the results of this poll disturbing and disgusting. I can't believe the "ayes" have it.
 

Electric Amish

Elite Member
Oct 11, 1999
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Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Hell yeah!

A fat tax
A stupid tax
A stinky tax
A bad driver tax
A too many kids tax
A gansta tax

I'm sure I'll think of more, just give me a minute

Yup.

I was going to say this would be a good idea if we could have a stupid tax as well.
 

eits

Lifer
Jun 4, 2005
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Make healthy food cheaper, and more people will buy it. As long as that "organically grown" crap costs twice as much as normal food, most folks are never going to buy it.

healthy food is more expensive to make than cheap food (which is pretty much almost always crappy for you). so, you'd be screwing over the farmers and growers.

i disagree. i eat healthily and spend a maximum of $50 for two weeks worth of food. it's just a matter of being lazy or not. sure, it'd be easier for me to order out.. but why should i when i have good food sitting in my fridge that i dont feel like preparing?

are you kidding? you think it's less expensive to buy fresh fruit, veggies, meat, etc. than it is to buy macaroni and cheese, ramen noodles, potato chips, jumbo buckets of ice cream, big bags of sugary cereal, packets of kool-aid, etc?

no wonder diabetes/obesity is a problem... all these parents with jobs that provide no time or money to make healthy meals and/or set good examples for their kids on how to eat, among many other things.

Ah the ignorance of youth.

Most of my generation grew up on those things, more than a decade before the obesity epidemic. Surgary cereal comes from the 50s and 60s. Kool-aid, mac and cheese from the 60s as well. Chips from earlier. The obesity epidemic didn't start unil the mid-late 80s and really got it's legs in the mid 90s.

And the way our mothers cooked would make present day McDonald's look like health food.

ah, the ignorance of amused.

back then, they didn't use high fructose corn syrup in virtually everything, if at all. there weren't as many trans-fats, additives, preservatives, and artificial products in foods, either. the production of food has changed a LOT since the atomic age when you were still a little nonsense-spewing tyke in a cowboy costume ready to kill whatever wasn't like you with your pellet rifle.

also, portion sizes have changed drastically since dinosaurs roamed the earth. when you were a kid, you probably had proper portion sizes. now, kids eat so much because they're taught that if it's a lot of food for a little bit of money, you should eat it. some places even put certain chemicals in their food to quell satiety. when the stomach distends over time due to overeating, your brain makes you want to fill it to capacity again. after a while, your hypothalamus just kinda keeps going with the flow because it thinks that you're packing in the food because you actually need it.

My gawd, a little 20 something punk is going to school me on how I grew up? Wow, where did you get the Way-Back machine?

The amount of sugar in breakfast cereals when I grew up was no less than today (more, actually). I know the research into HFCS and I'm sorry, but that wont even begin to account for the massive weight gain.

Portion sizes? My GAWD! You have no idea, do you? My mom and grandma (and everyone else's, for that matter) used to STUFF us. And we were guilted if we didn't finish our massive plates of food. Seconds and thirds were encouraged. That practice started LONG before me, as well.

Cooking in used bacon grease and going through tubs of Crisco in a week was normal. Deep frying was very popular. And the 70s was the age of margarine. We ate more trans fats in the 70s and early 80s when you combine the Crisco with the margarine than any other generation at home. Trans fats were pushed on us by the food police of the time as a healthy alternative to saturated fats. That's the whole reason trans fats exist today and why fast food switched to them in the early 80s.

You can keep trying to make up sh!t as you go along, or you can actually STFU and listen to people who were there.

haha!!!

stfu and go learn something, you dumbass.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I find the results of this poll disturbing and disgusting. I can't believe the "ayes" have it.
It's the proportion of youth here. There's a reason why the law doesn't allow for juries made up of minors, and why minors aren't allowed to vote. The youth don't yet have a proper understanding of consequences, as thus tend to be more than overly harsh with them.
This probably sounds wierd to kids, but for the most part people get NICER as they get older. From the mature adult perspective, kids are cruel and mean, and almost completely unempathetic to the plights of their fellow humans (except when it comes to naive idealism).
 

Amused

Elite Member
Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Make healthy food cheaper, and more people will buy it. As long as that "organically grown" crap costs twice as much as normal food, most folks are never going to buy it.

healthy food is more expensive to make than cheap food (which is pretty much almost always crappy for you). so, you'd be screwing over the farmers and growers.

i disagree. i eat healthily and spend a maximum of $50 for two weeks worth of food. it's just a matter of being lazy or not. sure, it'd be easier for me to order out.. but why should i when i have good food sitting in my fridge that i dont feel like preparing?

are you kidding? you think it's less expensive to buy fresh fruit, veggies, meat, etc. than it is to buy macaroni and cheese, ramen noodles, potato chips, jumbo buckets of ice cream, big bags of sugary cereal, packets of kool-aid, etc?

no wonder diabetes/obesity is a problem... all these parents with jobs that provide no time or money to make healthy meals and/or set good examples for their kids on how to eat, among many other things.

Ah the ignorance of youth.

Most of my generation grew up on those things, more than a decade before the obesity epidemic. Surgary cereal comes from the 50s and 60s. Kool-aid, mac and cheese from the 60s as well. Chips from earlier. The obesity epidemic didn't start unil the mid-late 80s and really got it's legs in the mid 90s.

And the way our mothers cooked would make present day McDonald's look like health food.

ah, the ignorance of amused.

back then, they didn't use high fructose corn syrup in virtually everything, if at all. there weren't as many trans-fats, additives, preservatives, and artificial products in foods, either. the production of food has changed a LOT since the atomic age when you were still a little nonsense-spewing tyke in a cowboy costume ready to kill whatever wasn't like you with your pellet rifle.

also, portion sizes have changed drastically since dinosaurs roamed the earth. when you were a kid, you probably had proper portion sizes. now, kids eat so much because they're taught that if it's a lot of food for a little bit of money, you should eat it. some places even put certain chemicals in their food to quell satiety. when the stomach distends over time due to overeating, your brain makes you want to fill it to capacity again. after a while, your hypothalamus just kinda keeps going with the flow because it thinks that you're packing in the food because you actually need it.

My gawd, a little 20 something punk is going to school me on how I grew up? Wow, where did you get the Way-Back machine?

The amount of sugar in breakfast cereals when I grew up was no less than today (more, actually). I know the research into HFCS and I'm sorry, but that wont even begin to account for the massive weight gain.

Portion sizes? My GAWD! You have no idea, do you? My mom and grandma (and everyone else's, for that matter) used to STUFF us. And we were guilted if we didn't finish our massive plates of food. Seconds and thirds were encouraged. That practice started LONG before me, as well.

Cooking in used bacon grease and going through tubs of Crisco in a week was normal. Deep frying was very popular. And the 70s was the age of margarine. We ate more trans fats in the 70s and early 80s when you combine the Crisco with the margarine than any other generation at home. Trans fats were pushed on us by the food police of the time as a healthy alternative to saturated fats. That's the whole reason trans fats exist today and why fast food switched to them in the early 80s.

You can keep trying to make up sh!t as you go along, or you can actually STFU and listen to people who were there.

haha!!!

stfu and go learn something, you dumbass.

Projecting again?

In thread after thread you never fail to make a damn fool out of yourself.

Thanks for being consistent.
 

Babbles

Diamond Member
Jan 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I find the results of this poll disturbing and disgusting. I can't believe the "ayes" have it.
It's the proportion of youth here. There's a reason why the law doesn't allow for juries made up of minors, and why minors aren't allowed to vote. The youth don't yet have a proper understanding of consequences, as thus tend to be more than overly harsh with them.
This probably sounds wierd to kids, but for the most part people get NICER as they get older. From the mature adult perspective, kids are cruel and mean, and almost completely unempathetic to the plights of their fellow humans (except when it comes to naive idealism).

:thumbsup:

I figure that the only people who would think that a fat tax is a good idea are ignorant kids who live under an umbrella of naive idealism or 'older' people are are short-sighted fools.
 

JS80

Lifer
Oct 24, 2005
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Yes, if you could tax the fat person, not fatty foods. No, if they get rid of other sin taxes.
 

DanTMWTMP

Lifer
Oct 7, 2001
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having been someone who lost close to 30 pounds of fat within 8 months or so, and feel great about it, i'm all for the tax.

It's something that should be implemented to give an extra incentive for people to live healthier lives. I can only see nothing but benefit to come out of this.
 

MrPickins

Diamond Member
May 24, 2003
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Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
having been someone who lost close to 30 pounds of fat within 8 months or so, and feel great about it, i'm all for the tax.

It's something that should be implemented to give an extra incentive for people to live healthier lives. I can only see nothing but benefit to come out of this.

You don't see any slippery slopes ahead? You might try looking a bit farther.
 

Amused

Elite Member
Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
having been someone who lost close to 30 pounds of fat within 8 months or so, and feel great about it, i'm all for the tax.

It's something that should be implemented to give an extra incentive for people to live healthier lives. I can only see nothing but benefit to come out of this.

So people who aren't fat should be forced to pay more f foods deemed as "bad" for you?
 

Fern

Elite Member
Sep 30, 2003
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
having been someone who lost close to 30 pounds of fat within 8 months or so, and feel great about it, i'm all for the tax.

It's something that should be implemented to give an extra incentive for people to live healthier lives. I can only see nothing but benefit to come out of this.

So people who aren't fat should be forced to pay more f foods deemed as "bad" for you?

Oh wait, the solution!

We could tax it by belt sizes. Anything above, say, 38" get's the sh!t taxed out of it. OK, some real short fat people might slip by, maybe a few real tall people might get hit, but hey what tax is perfect. ;)

We could also create and sell "Fat Neutral Credits", like the carbon thingys for global warming. Anybody with a belt size of under, say, 32" gets a belt that comes with a certificate attached to it.

Then when you see a fat person over at the belt rack at Walmart you can go over and sell him your certificate which negates the need for him to pay the fat tax on his big a$$ sumo size belt.


Or,


We could make it illegal to sell the giant size pants fat people need. They'd have to stay home naked until they lost enough weight to wear regular pants. Could be an ugly scene though if you worked the drive-thru at McDonalds.

:)

Fern
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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If I support your "Fat Tax Initiave", will you support my "Stupid Tax Initiative", where people who post stupid threads like this get taxed 50% of their gross income for each time they do it?
 

TehMac

Diamond Member
Aug 18, 2006
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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
having been someone who lost close to 30 pounds of fat within 8 months or so, and feel great about it, i'm all for the tax.

It's something that should be implemented to give an extra incentive for people to live healthier lives. I can only see nothing but benefit to come out of this.

So people who aren't fat should be forced to pay more f foods deemed as "bad" for you?

Oh wait, the solution!

We could tax it by belt sizes. Anything above, say, 38" get's the sh!t taxed out of it. OK, some real short fat people might slip by, maybe a few real tall people might get hit, but hey what tax is perfect. ;)

We could also create and sell "Fat Neutral Credits", like the carbon thingys for global warming. Anybody with a belt size of under, say, 32" gets a belt that comes with a certificate attached to it.

Then when you see a fat person over at the belt rack at Walmart you can go over and sell him your certificate which negates the need for him to pay the fat tax on his big a$$ sumo size belt.


Or,


We could make it illegal to sell the giant size pants fat people need. They'd have to stay home naked until they lost enough weight to wear regular pants. Could be an ugly scene though if you worked the drive-thru at McDonalds.

:)

Fern

Or....we could not force our lifestyle on other people and not tax anybody!!!!! OMGZ NO WAI!

 

eits

Lifer
Jun 4, 2005
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Originally posted by: Amused
Projecting again?

In thread after thread you never fail to make a damn fool out of yourself.

Thanks for being consistent.

only fool here is you... you're the one who thinks that food today was the same as it ever was and that there haven't been any "advancements" (for lack of a more fitting word) in the way cheap foods are made. not only that, but you don't even think about entertaining the correlation between the portion sizes we have today (as opposed to back when you were a kid 40 or so years ago) to this obesity problem we have.

you're stuck in your ignorance and there's no argument i can make to help you out of it. you constantly try making some kind of intellectually lasting impression in every post you make and you always seem to fall way short of your mark. instead, what you do is post something dumb and insert some smug and unnecessarily dickfaced comment.

why don't you try giving some respect to others so they won't be so quick to disrespect you back? i've sent you a couple pm's asking to drop the retarded bickering between us and just be civil and you completely ignored it...

edit: i'm not going to respond you in this thread anymore, so go ahead and say whatever you want to try and undercut my post... unless you're willing to agree to quit bickering with me about stupid shyt and be civil towards me like i've tried so many times in the past to be with you, you can eat a dick as far as i'm concerned.
 

Amused

Elite Member
Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Amused
Projecting again?

In thread after thread you never fail to make a damn fool out of yourself.

Thanks for being consistent.

only fool here is you... you're the one who thinks that food today was the same as it ever was and that there haven't been any "advancements" (for lack of a more fitting word) in the way cheap foods are made. not only that, but you don't even think about entertaining the correlation between the portion sizes we have today (as opposed to back when you were a kid 40 or so years ago) to this obesity problem we have.

you're stuck in your ignorance and there's no argument i can make to help you out of it. you constantly try making some kind of intellectually lasting impression in every post you make and you always seem to fall way short of your mark. instead, what you do is post something dumb and insert some smug and unnecessarily dickfaced comment.

why don't you try giving some respect to others so they won't be so quick to disrespect you back? i've sent you a couple pm's asking to drop the retarded bickering between us and just be civil and you completely ignored it...

edit: i'm not going to respond you in this thread anymore, so go ahead and say whatever you want to try and undercut my post... unless you're willing to agree to quit bickering with me about stupid shyt and be civil towards me like i've tried so many times in the past to be with you, you can eat a dick as far as i'm concerned.

"Portion sizes" apply only to restarants, mostly fast food and mostly side items such as fries and sodas. We had Hungry Man TV dinners back then, and they were bigger than most TV dinners today. When we were kids, there were no "portion sizes" at home. Our parents simply stuffed us and guilted us into eating massive amounts of food with clichés about starving children in China. There was no "portion control" at home. There was eating as much as you possibly could and left-overs were even more commen then than they are now. Considering the fact that people ate out far less then, than now, meant endless portions were the norm.

My ignorance of youth comment was not an insult, but a very valid observation. You are going by what people with an agenda tell you what it was like, rather than listening to people who were there. The type of foods we ate and the amounts would be enough to make UK social services take kids today.

Your problem is you think you know it all, and you know very little beyond what little you've learned so far in college. Those of us who have lived life have realized reality means unlearning most of the idealistic BS college fills you with.

I've shown you to be flatly wrong in thread after thread, and yet you still pointlessly argue with me. Why?

Look, it's very simple. Main meal foods are not the problem. Growing inactivity and the increase of idle munching of snack foods are the only correlation with the obesity epidemic that makes sense. In fact, activity levels are so much lower, even without the incerease in snack foods we'd still have an obesity epidemic.
 

MrPickins

Diamond Member
May 24, 2003
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Originally posted by: Amused
Growing inactivity and the increase of idle muching of snack foods are the only correlation with the obesity epidemic that makes sense. In fact, activity levels are so much lower, even without the incerease in snack foods we'd still have an obesity epidemic.

And we have a winner!
 

Siddhartha

Lifer
Oct 17, 1999
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I have seen this desire to smack fat people on this forum before.

Everyone who thinks taxing, punishing, "fat" people is a good idea, consider the social costs and think that maybe you will be next to be singled out and ostracized.

Do you smoke or drink?
Do you exercise enough or do you exercise too much?
Do you have too much sex or not enough?
Do you brush your teeth often enough or too much or too hard?
Is your blood pressure too high or too low?

Should people who eat meat be taxed?
 

Siddhartha

Lifer
Oct 17, 1999
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When the US stops being the global super power and decreases the size of its military to where it is large enough defend the continental United States. Then we will talk about plans to have the wealthiest pay less taxes.
 

TehMac

Diamond Member
Aug 18, 2006
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Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: Amused
Growing inactivity and the increase of idle muching of snack foods are the only correlation with the obesity epidemic that makes sense. In fact, activity levels are so much lower, even without the incerease in snack foods we'd still have an obesity epidemic.

And we have a winner!

Yeah, I mean, someone needs to take a Health class, it doesn't matter if you eat non fat food; If you don't work your fat ass, you're gunna get fatter.
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
When the US stops being the global super power and decreases the size of its military to where it is large enough defend the continental United States. Then we will talk about plans to have the wealthiest pay less taxes.

tbh, the only reason the US is the global super power is because Britain and the other countries gave up long ago. The US stuck to it, and now we have a bunch of bitchy Euros on our ass. Tough sh*t for them anyway.