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Poll: 70% of Republicans still don't think Joe Biden won the election. Why?

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Why do 70% of Republicans still think Biden was not legitimately elected?


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Jhhnn

No Lifer
Nov 11, 1999
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It's the New Birtherism. The New Silent Majority. They've been conditioned into unwarranted fear & disdain for the rest of America.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
17,214
4,853
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I think this article fits in the general theme of this thread. People keep looking for someone to save the GOP from itself. Problem is they are their own worst enemies.

Paul Ryan can’t save the GOP — he is still a huge part of the problem | Salon.com

Liz Cheney's latest comments came in an off-the-record interview with former House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis. Ryan, you'll recall, now sits on the board of Fox News, where one executive told Vanity Fair in 2019, "Paul is embarrassed about Trump and now he has the power to do something about it."

Paul Ryan may have the power to do something about it, but unlike Cheney (who at least voted to impeach Trump) he hasn't. Instead, he's been cashing in at the right-wing network and watched as Tucker Carlson has risen to the top spot by spewing barely diluted white nationalism. Ryan wouldn't even say anything after Trump celebrated Mitt Romney, the man Ryan ran on a presidential ticket with a few short years back, being booed by his hometown crowd. The media-supported myth that Ryan was a serious, responsible lawmaker propped up this malevolent character for far too long.

This is the incentive problem in the so-called conservative movement that no one seems to want to grapple with. A similar, but not identical, incentive structure led the Washington Post to host Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley for a livestream on Tuesday, where the Republican defended raising his fist in solidarity with a mob that would eventually rush the Capitol armed with weapons and in search of his colleagues. He went on to complain that he was being canceled when a Post reporter merely attempted to correct the record about his continued mischaracterization of the election in Pennsylvania, a state that was specifically targeted with misinformation by the Trump campaign. It's why CNN's Don Lemon hosted Pennsylvania's former Republican senator, Rick Santorum, after the conservative pundit baselessly asserted that Native American culture is not American culture.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
13,137
8,181
136
It's the New Birtherism. The New Silent Majority. They've been conditioned into unwarranted fear & disdain for the rest of America.
No, it's the old silent majority. It never left.

If anyone wants an insight into why they believe this lie, it's because they simply cannot accept the fact that their views are not currently the majority views among Americans. Since they think that any decent American would necessarily agree with them 100%, they just assume that democrats can only win by way of fraud, and so are ready to believe anyone who purports to corroborate the assumption.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
51,183
3,762
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I think this article fits in the general theme of this thread. People keep looking for someone to save the GOP from itself. Problem is they are their own worst enemies.

Paul Ryan can’t save the GOP — he is still a huge part of the problem | Salon.com

Liz Cheney's latest comments came in an off-the-record interview with former House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis. Ryan, you'll recall, now sits on the board of Fox News, where one executive told Vanity Fair in 2019, "Paul is embarrassed about Trump and now he has the power to do something about it."

Paul Ryan may have the power to do something about it, but unlike Cheney (who at least voted to impeach Trump) he hasn't. Instead, he's been cashing in at the right-wing network and watched as Tucker Carlson has risen to the top spot by spewing barely diluted white nationalism. Ryan wouldn't even say anything after Trump celebrated Mitt Romney, the man Ryan ran on a presidential ticket with a few short years back, being booed by his hometown crowd. The media-supported myth that Ryan was a serious, responsible lawmaker propped up this malevolent character for far too long.

This is the incentive problem in the so-called conservative movement that no one seems to want to grapple with. A similar, but not identical, incentive structure led the Washington Post to host Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley for a livestream on Tuesday, where the Republican defended raising his fist in solidarity with a mob that would eventually rush the Capitol armed with weapons and in search of his colleagues. He went on to complain that he was being canceled when a Post reporter merely attempted to correct the record about his continued mischaracterization of the election in Pennsylvania, a state that was specifically targeted with misinformation by the Trump campaign. It's why CNN's Don Lemon hosted Pennsylvania's former Republican senator, Rick Santorum, after the conservative pundit baselessly asserted that Native American culture is not American culture.
Again and again and again they show there's nothing so holy as the Almighty Dollar.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
48,193
8,782
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Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
67,184
3,872
126
one of the best moonbeam posts ever. 10/10 would read again.
Thanks! As far as why Republicans are unable to rationally deal with reality, I believe it is due to cowardice. We were all made to feel worthless as children, and that can vary by intensity and degree. The major way in which it happens is that our parents know long before we did the danger of being different.

They, having been conditioned by their own parents to be emotionally dead drones who don’t stick out transfer to us all of those fears.

Live in the prison of social and church rules where the sheep are all exactly the same and nobody sticks out. Any who do risk being ostracized and additionally attract attention to the rest of the family. There are thus pitchforks and the threat of all manner of hell waiting for us right there under the bed.

It is perfectly reasonable to expect from frightened animals they will have only programmed rote moral behavior and completely lack introspection or impulse for truth seeking. They live their lives essentially at the level of our ignorant ancestors huddled in caves.

It is the inner emptiness of such a life that drives some to search, some few who for one reason or another can still feel something was lost.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
10,133
6,220
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It's a lot of evil deplorables folks. These are the same people that in history have become fascists, Nazis, maoists, stalinists, etc...

That's the base of the GQP today. In America.

Get a gun. Stay vigilant.
 
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blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Jhhnn

No Lifer
Nov 11, 1999
61,994
14,160
136
It's a lot of evil deplorables folks. These are the same people that in history have become fascists, Nazis, maoists, stalinists, etc...

That's the base of the GQP today. In America.

Get a gun. Stay vigilant.
Funny how you manage to sound like them.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
10,133
6,220
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Funny how you manage to sound like them.
How do I sound like them? They support overthrowing democracy. They have cult like adoration to an authoritarian fascist demagogue. They do not believe in truth
It's time to stop being weak when describing the enemies of democracy. They are the same as those groups from history I mentioned. It's time for Americans to wake up, this isnt the time to placate these people by calling them nice names. Those who don't learn from history....Wake up dude.
 
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blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
20,763
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If the party is willing to go along with the lie to maintain power there is no functional difference if they actually believe it or not. The results are the same.
It doesn't look like party is so much as their followers. Which is still bad for them come election time.
 

Jhhnn

No Lifer
Nov 11, 1999
61,994
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It doesn't look like party is so much as their followers. Which is still bad for them come election time.
Trump gave them what they wanted- tax cuts for the Rich, deregulation, packing the federal bench with ideologues & so forth. And the Base loves him desperately. Even insurrection wasn't enough to peel them off of the Trump train. Lying for Trump is just like lying about everything else. They believe in nothing beyond wealth & power.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
20,763
784
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Trump gave them what they wanted- tax cuts for the Rich, deregulation, packing the federal bench with ideologues & so forth. And the Base loves him desperately. Even insurrection wasn't enough to peel them off of the Trump train. Lying for Trump is just like lying about everything else. They believe in nothing beyond wealth & power.
So you're ok with the current efforts by Democrats to stack the courts? And you're ok with Bidens efforts at taxing the rich? I am, because it won't change the wealth of the wealthy to make a difference.

Edit and there's a difference between filling vacant spots in scotus and adding additional spots. One is attacking one isn't. Are you smart enough to know the difference?
 
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rommelrommel

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Dec 7, 2002
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So you're ok with the current efforts by Democrats to stack the courts? And you're ok with Bidens efforts at taxing the rich? I am, because it won't change the wealth of the wealthy to make a difference.

Edit and there's a difference between filling vacant spots in scotus and adding additional spots. One is attacking one isn't. Are you smart enough to know the difference?
"Efforts" seem a little pale relative to the actual court stacking that was Garland/Gorsuch.
 

Jhhnn

No Lifer
Nov 11, 1999
61,994
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So you're ok with the current efforts by Democrats to stack the courts? And you're ok with Bidens efforts at taxing the rich? I am, because it won't change the wealth of the wealthy to make a difference.

Edit and there's a difference between filling vacant spots in scotus and adding additional spots. One is attacking one isn't. Are you smart enough to know the difference?
Duh-vert more. The GOP wanted right wing toadies, and Trump served 'em up.
 

rommelrommel

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Dec 7, 2002
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So you don't know the difference. Got it.
If delaying a confirmation indefinitely for no reason other than to get the result you want is not court stacking, why would changing the court composition be substantially different?

You're pretty much advancing the premise that anything legal is not court stacking.
 

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