Politics Fight for House speaker explodes into national political campaign

[Maxima1]

But you shouldn't let your political opponents chose your candidates!

They seem to have wanted de Leon over Feinstein. I'd take him over her. lmao

 

[dank69]

I don't know, it was actually a Nixon idea decades prior to that. And while you might go "WTF?" at that (since Nixon was horrible and Republican), but it was floated alongside many other very liberal ideas like guaranteed income, Title IX, the EPA, and I forget what others (there was a list of quite liberal policies that Nixon gave serious consideration to and/or enacted that I linked in another thread months ago - I tried searching for it but the forum is saying its not finding it and apparently my google terms aren't finding the stuff I found and linked before either).

Plus considering that Republicans were pushing it as an alternative in order to prevent Medicare for all type suggestions from Democrats, and have since been saying its full on socialized health care, not sure how you can keep claiming its not liberal. Republicans have pushed many liberal policies over the years, that doesn't magically make them not liberal. Just like how Democrats getting onboard with some hard conservative policies doesn't make them liberal.

Republicans calling it socialized healthcare is obvious bullshit, meant to feed their drooling supporters that don't understand words with more than two syllables. Judging how liberal or conservative the ACA is depends on the scale you are using to measure it. On a scale from 1 to 10 where doing nothing is 1 and the best possible outcome we could have achieved in 2009 is a 10, then yeah the ACA is pretty fucking liberal. Change the scale so that 5 is do nothing, aka neutral, and 1 is go backwards as far as conservatives can dream of, and 10 is fully socialized healthcare like @fskimospy said, then the ACA is a 6 at best.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Still waiting for someone to answer the question of why is Rep Fudge a bad choice. Why is Moulton a bad choice? How is Pelosi uniquely qualified to lead. How will electing her undo the insanity of repeating the same actions and expecting different results... Business as usual has done wonders for Party and especially Country the past 8 years... You saw what a bunch of pissed of conservatives did in 2016... Wait till you see what a bunch of pissed off non-conservatives do in 2020...

You're the one saying that Pelosi was bad or "too polarizing" (whatever the fuck that means, people have asked you what you meant and you haven't really responded to that much other than to say you don't care yet you're the one that brought it up and then babbling about it being an issue with nothing of actual substance to support it) and people are merely disagreeing and saying that sounds exactly like what you tried to say was the reason you called her too polarizing (basically saying that well the shithead Republicans find her polarizing so we should find someone more palatable to them, yet you're the one saying Pelosi is bad because she's too polarizing?).

I'm not at all a fan of the way you're going about this. You're basically calling for some new cult of personality figure (not just in this, I'm seeing a recurring them from the people saying the Democrats need some new face, while decrying that type of politics, its fucking bizarre).

 

[fskimospy]

Republicans calling it socialized healthcare is obvious bullshit, meant to feed their drooling supporters that don't understand words with more than two syllables. Judging how liberal or conservative the ACA is depends on the scale you are using to measure it. On a scale from 1 to 10 where doing nothing is 1 and the best possible outcome we could have achieved in 2009 is a 10, then yeah the ACA is pretty fucking liberal. Change the scale so that 5 is do nothing, aka neutral, and 1 is go backwards as far as conservatives can dream of, and 10 is fully socialized healthcare like @fskimospy said, then the ACA is a 6 at best.

Somewhere around twenty million people gained insurance coverage due to the ACA.

Twenty. Million. People.

 

[Jhhnn]

A lot of people on the Democratic side were concerned about her decades long baggage. Many were saying, "I told you so." once it became clear it kept her from defeating the most despicable con man ever.



If the Republican "independents" and the Bernie Bros are so intractable, why not put forth an actual progressive candidate next time?

Yeh, people were saying...

 

[darkswordsman17]

Republicans calling it socialized healthcare is obvious bullshit, meant to feed their drooling supporters that don't understand words with more than two syllables. Judging how liberal or conservative the ACA is depends on the scale you are using to measure it. On a scale from 1 to 10 where doing nothing is 1 and the best possible outcome we could have achieved in 2009 is a 10, then yeah the ACA is pretty fucking liberal. Change the scale so that 5 is do nothing, aka neutral, and 1 is go backwards as far as conservatives can dream of, and 10 is fully socialized healthcare like @fskimospy said, then the ACA is a 6 at best.

Absolutely. Ok, I don't get arguing about it, I think you're actually more in agreement than disagreement over it. Seems pointless arguing for the sake of it. I don't know of any progressives that dislike the ACA, even if they want something more progressive (and wanted something more progressive when the ACA was being worked on).

 

[umbrella39]

It's actually pretty simple math... Erase the gains that were just realized in the House by making this bitch the head... lose many votes including mine...

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yeh, people were saying...

...and were proven correct

 

[Engineer]

For the first time in my adult life I wrote my State Rep and urged her very strongly to consider someone else for the position. Sorry I don't care what her record is or is not. She is far too polarizing and needs to fade into the woodwork not be thrust into the national spotlight every couple of days leading up to the 2020 elections.

Bingo....and that's exactly why cheeto has offered support to get here selected to Speaker of the House. He (or his advisors most likely) know that she is toxic. Hell, that's all I heard from the cheeto supporters from WV about how how Nancy Peluuuuuussssiiiii was going to turn us to an evil socialist society.

Ads were run against Amy McGrath stating that she would adopt Pelosi's radical agenda and people ate it up like it was a fine, free steak. Same think happened with Obama here in KY.

 

[Jhhnn]

...and were proven correct

Because of one of Russia's most successful disinformation campaigns ever, something Trump picked up on and rode to victory. Crooked Hillary! is a lie & always has been.

 

[Jhhnn]

Bingo....and that's exactly why cheeto has offered support to get here selected to Speaker of the House. He (or his advisors most likely) know that she is toxic. Hell, that's all I heard from the cheeto supporters from WV about how how Nancy Peluuuuuussssiiiii was going to turn us to an evil socialist society.

Ads were run against Amy McGrath stating that she would adopt Pelosi's radical agenda and people ate it up like it was a fine, free steak. Same think happened with Obama here in KY.

The people complaining about Pelosi in this thread are supposedly progressives. They paint Pelosi as not progressive enough. So if conservatives don't like Pelosi, they'd probably like a "more progressive" speaker even less.

Trump? He knows that if he pushes Pelosi then progressives will like her less. It's dumb as shit to let the opposition define us, but it works anyway.

 

[Engineer]

The people complaining about Pelosi in this thread are supposedly progressives. They paint Pelosi as not progressive enough. So if conservatives don't like Pelosi, they'd probably like a "more progressive" speaker even less.

Trump? He knows that if he pushes Pelosi then progressives will like her less. It's dumb as shit to let the opposition define us, but it works anyway.

Pelosi has been painted bad by Fox and that's all the GOP need to turn her into the wicked witch of the west.

 

[Jhhnn]

Pelosi has been painted bad by Fox and that's all the GOP need to turn her into the wicked witch of the west.

They'll quickly do the same for any other Dem who becomes speaker. Their opinion must simply be set aside in terms of choosing our leadership. As a Dem, I'll be happy with whoever our reps choose because they know more about it than I do. I mean, duh. I'm not arrogant enough to think otherwise.

 

[Maxima1]

The people complaining about Pelosi in this thread are supposedly progressives. They paint Pelosi as not progressive enough. So if conservatives don't like Pelosi, they'd probably like a "more progressive" speaker even less.

There are people who voted for Trump, but would have voted for Sanders. We all know a lot of them previously voted for Obama. lol Here's more to think about:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018...stein-making-her-lefty-rival-competitive.html

Republican Hatred for Dianne Feinstein Is Making Her Lefty Opponent Competitive

Trump? He knows that if he pushes Pelosi then progressives will like her less. It's dumb as shit to let the opposition define us, but it works anyway.

Progressives don't like her because she brings in the money that we all know they're beholden to. But I think Republicans target her primarily as motivating fodder to get the deplorable base out. It's not really about the progressives or moderates.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

But you shouldn't let your political opponents chose your candidates!

I’m not it’s her responsibility to protect her name. She is poor at doing it.
Look how that NY Rep that the conservatives are obsessed with. She gives them crap back. She is not afraid to go after someone trolling her over what coat she wore.

 

[dank69]

The people complaining about Pelosi in this thread are supposedly progressives. They paint Pelosi as not progressive enough. So if conservatives don't like Pelosi, they'd probably like a "more progressive" speaker even less.

Trump? He knows that if he pushes Pelosi then progressives will like her less. It's dumb as shit to let the opposition define us, but it works anyway.

Not concerned about conservatives. They are going to hate the Dem leader no matter what. More concerned about the retarded independents.

 

[dank69]

Somewhere around twenty million people gained insurance coverage due to the ACA.

Twenty. Million. People.

That isn't germane to our conversation, especially since I've repeatedly mentioned that the coverage is shit and gets shittier every single year.

 

[fskimospy]

That isn't germane to our conversation, especially since I've repeatedly mentioned that the coverage is shit and gets shittier every single year.

It’s not, and it helped so, so many people.

 

[Jaskalas]

Regardless of anything else... I'm not fond of leaders past age 70.

 

[dank69]

It’s not, and it helped so, so many people.

It absolutely is shit. The plans employers offer these days are nothing short of offensive, even after the employer paid portion. Not only are the plans offensive, but the choices are designed to confuse people specifically so they have no idea how to pick the right plan for their situation. Every year I have to educate our entire organization how to make an informed decision to minimize the damage.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not concerned about conservatives. They are going to hate the Dem leader no matter what. More concerned about the retarded independents.

If they're retarded enough to hate Pelosi they're retarded enough to hate anybody else we pick.

 

[fskimospy]

It absolutely is shit. The plans employers offer these days are nothing short of offensive, even after the employer paid portion. Not only are the plans offensive, but the choices are designed to confuse people specifically so they have no idea how to pick the right plan for their situation. Every year I have to educate our entire organization how to make an informed decision to minimize the damage.

You’re crazy. It helped tens of millions of people, myself included. Do you seriously not remember the world before the ACA?Speaking of offensive, the idea that the piece of legislation that changed my life more than any law that was ever passed during my lifetime is shit is both offensive and comically ignorant. The thing that allows me to get health care when I would be laughed out of the room before is offensive?

You’ve gone nuts. You’ve convinced yourself that helping tens of millions of people by taxing the rich is conservative. What happened that made your world view so twisted?

 

[Maxima1]

You’re crazy. It helped tens of millions of people, myself included. Do you seriously not remember the world before the ACA?Speaking of offensive, the idea that the piece of legislation that changed my life more than any law that was ever passed during my lifetime is shit is both offensive and comically ignorant. The thing that allows me to get health care when I would be laughed out of the room before is offensive?

You’ve gone nuts. You’ve convinced yourself that helping tens of millions of people by taxing the rich is conservative. What happened that made your world view so twisted?

No. We're just saying it's not that liberal. Here's a quote from Obama on it. Sounds so progressive, huh?

"What are not legitimate concerns are those being put forward claiming a public option is somehow a Trojan horse for a single-payer system. I’ll be honest. There are countries where a single-payer system may be working. But I believe — and I’ve even taken some flak from members of my own party for this belief — that it is important for us to build on our traditions here in the United States. So, when you hear the naysayers claim that I’m trying to bring about government-run health care, know this – they are not telling the truth."

 

[sportage]

Pelosi HAS BEEN painted as the wicked witch of the west by republicans, but only because she DOES and CAN get things done.
Strong women are often demonized by men and more so republican men to stay put in their place.
I'm not a Pelosi fan per se, but if democrats have someone better than Pelosi then that person needs to prove themself before hand.
Thing is.... as with both political parties the old farts both men and women have all the power. And they protect that power. Chuck Grassley, Mitch McConnell, Pelosi, they are all power mongers.
And they won't give up easily.
Donald Trump is what? 72? 73? And his top fans in the party are also over 70?

The problem is.... I don't think the US constitution meant for these elected officials to make the job of serving a life long endeavor.
It creates corruption, never serves the best interest of the people, and makes the entire process into a game of power and money. A games of thrones.
We desperately need term limits.
But since the very people that would give us term limits are themselves against term limits, it's doubtful term limits will ever come about.

Too bad THE PEOPLE can not make their own laws, bypassing the congress entirely, like placing term limits on state ballots for a vote, then after passing by over 50% of the states, then the initiative goes on a national ballot for an up or down majority vote.
If over 50% of THE PEOPLE nationwide vote to enact term limits for all elected officials in Washington then term limits becomes law.
The congress would have no say in the matter. Nor the ability to object.

We no doubt have many youth in congress that would make a better majority and minority leader than Pelosi and McConnell, but we will never know.
Those elected youth will never have the change to prove themself until the old farts allow them.
And good luck on that ever happening.....

 

[dank69]

You’re crazy. It helped tens of millions of people, myself included. Do you seriously not remember the world before the ACA?Speaking of offensive, the idea that the piece of legislation that changed my life more than any law that was ever passed during my lifetime is shit is both offensive and comically ignorant. The thing that allows me to get health care when I would be laughed out of the room before is offensive?

You’ve gone nuts. You’ve convinced yourself that helping tens of millions of people by taxing the rich is conservative. What happened that made your world view so twisted?

No, you are not listening. I never said the ACA was shit. I never said it was a bad law or that we should get rid of it. We are merely arguing about how conservative or liberal it is. Yes, the coverage is great for people who have preexisting conditions because before the ACA you had nothing. Dogshit is better than nothing if you are starving I suppose. But again, do not misunderstand me. I am not calling the ACA dogshit. I am calling modern health insurance plans dogshit.