Political Ultra-Partisans

[cbrunny]

Do Ultra-Partisans actually influence your political opinions?

errhm... crap. s/b OT I think. My bad.

 

[soulcougher73]

Yes, because their bias infects their decisions and thinking process.

See sig.

 

[glenn1]

Do Ultra-Partisans actually influence your political opinions?

Depends on whether they're correct or not, whether you're a partisan or not doesn't affect whether your idea is great, meh, or completely retarded. Unfortunately many of them tend to leave their brains at the door when forming an opinion and are terrible at making a supported argument and rely on magical thinking instead.

 

[BoberFett]

I was raised in a conservative home; my parents are quite religious. The older I've gotten the more and more liberal I've become. However this forum has really made me despise Democrats.

 

[Mursilis]

I was raised in a conservative home; my parents are quite religious. The older I've gotten the more and more liberal I've become. However this forum has really made me despise Democrats.

True dat. I almost want to vote for Trump purely out of spite. Or maybe Ben Carson? Who would piss off the leftists here more?

 

[sm625]

Partisans are blinded by the fact that both parties are controlled by the same power. There are some basic ideological differences, but those differences all but disappear when it comes to actual policy and legislation.

 

[glenn1]

Partisans are blinded by the fact that both parties are controlled by the same power. There are some basic ideological differences, but those differences all but disappear when it comes to actual policy and legislation.

Or maybe your ideas just suck and neither party implements them for that reason rather than "they're controlled by the same power."

 

[shira]

There seem to be several choices missing, one of which is: I create political polls that don't offer nuanced choices.

 

[Atreus21]

Eh, it's human nature.

 

[BoberFett]

True dat. I almost want to vote for Trump purely out of spite. Or maybe Ben Carson? Who would piss off the leftists here more?

It's pretty bizarre. I'm pro-choice, anti-war, anti-police-brutality, pro-drug-legalization, anti-death-penalty, pro-equality, anti-religion, pro-freedom-of-speech-even-if-you-want-burn-the-flag. Hardly the traits of a "right winger". But because I'm not 100% behind every Democrat idea, ultra-partisans act like I'm the devil incarnate.

Republicans are frequently called on their "hate", and well they should be many times. The Republicans in Washington are pretty awful, while the Democrats in Washington seem to be a bit more level headed than their "conservative" counterparts. But as for the rank-and-file voters? I find Republicans far more tolerant and compassionate towards others than the typical Democrat. The average Democrat I know, here or in real life, is typically a miserable, awful human being who is more interested in hating Republicans than anything else.

And I can't reward that kind of vileness with my vote. Even if the Democrat candidate is better*, I don't want these awful human beings to get positive feedback on their horrific behavior. Democrats are the worst winners I've seen in a long time. They were sore losers during Bush and the Republicans, but somehow they've gotten ever worse with a Democrat in the White House and a House majority. I can only imagine the level of vitriol they'd display with full control of the three branches of government. The word witch hunt comes to mind.


* Even that's questionable. I've stated I'd vote for Bernie just to shake things up, but frankly he's a clueless boob. And Hillary is just plain vile. The Republican candidates are all a bad joke, but a bad joke would be better than Hillary.

 

[dank69]

True dat. I almost want to vote for Trump purely out of spite. Or maybe Ben Carson? Who would piss off the leftists here more?

What a noble cause.

 

[Mursilis]

It's pretty bizarre. I'm pro-choice, anti-war, anti-police-brutality, pro-drug-legalization, anti-death-penalty, pro-equality, anti-religion, pro-freedom-of-speech-even-if-you-want-burn-the-flag. Hardly the traits of a "right winger". But because I'm not 100% behind every Democrat idea, ultra-partisans act like I'm the devil incarnate.

Republicans are frequently called on their "hate", and well they should be many times. The Republicans in Washington are pretty awful, while the Democrats in Washington seem to be a bit more level headed than their "conservative" counterparts. But as for the rank-and-file voters? I find Republicans far more tolerant and compassionate towards others than the typical Democrat. The average Democrat I know, here or in real life, is typically a miserable, awful human being who is more interested in hating Republicans than anything else.

And I can't reward that kind of vileness with my vote. Even if the Democrat candidate is better*, I don't want these awful human beings to get positive feedback on their horrific behavior. Democrats are the worst winners I've seen in a long time. They were sore losers during Bush and the Republicans, but somehow they've gotten ever worse with a Democrat in the White House and a House majority. I can only imagine the level of vitriol they'd display with full control of the three branches of government. The word witch hunt comes to mind.


* Even that's questionable. I've stated I'd vote for Bernie just to shake things up, but frankly he's a clueless boob. And Hillary is just plain vile. The Republican candidates are all a bad joke, but a bad joke would be better than Hillary.

And that's why, as I've said many times, the GOP remains viable. Because no matter how much Repubs trot out national leaders like McConnell, Boehner, Cruz, and the like, uncharismatic clowns all, the Dems manage to find some way to make that crew look like the lesser evil.

 

[dank69]

It's pretty bizarre. I'm pro-choice, anti-war, anti-police-brutality, pro-drug-legalization, anti-death-penalty, pro-equality, anti-religion, pro-freedom-of-speech-even-if-you-want-burn-the-flag. Hardly the traits of a "right winger". But because I'm not 100% behind every Democrat idea, ultra-partisans act like I'm the devil incarnate.

Republicans are frequently called on their "hate", and well they should be many times. The Republicans in Washington are pretty awful, while the Democrats in Washington seem to be a bit more level headed than their "conservative" counterparts. But as for the rank-and-file voters? I find Republicans far more tolerant and compassionate towards others than the typical Democrat. The average Democrat I know, here or in real life, is typically a miserable, awful human being who is more interested in hating Republicans than anything else.

And I can't reward that kind of vileness with my vote. Even if the Democrat candidate is better*, I don't want these awful human beings to get positive feedback on their horrific behavior. Democrats are the worst winners I've seen in a long time. They were sore losers during Bush and the Republicans, but somehow they've gotten ever worse with a Democrat in the White House and a House majority. I can only imagine the level of vitriol they'd display with full control of the three branches of government. The word witch hunt comes to mind.


* Even that's questionable. I've stated I'd vote for Bernie just to shake things up, but frankly he's a clueless boob. And Hillary is just plain vile. The Republican candidates are all a bad joke, but a bad joke would be better than Hillary.

The vitriol is a result of the constant stream of bullshit from conservatives. All the Clinton "investigations" and the hundreds of bullshit claims about Obama, everything from birtherism to Jade Helm, it is pure insanity pouring non-stop from the GOP. I don't even like Hillary or Barack but it seems like I do because I am constantly pointing out the bullshit behind every attack. Each false attack that comes from the right just makes people less and less interested so that when there is something that is actually wrong, nobody fucking cares anymore.

You're no better anyway with your false "both sides the same" narrative. You admit here that the GOP politicians are awful and Democrat politicians are more level-headed, yet you aren't going to vote to make the country better because liberals on this board are spitting bile? WTF man? That is some fucked up reasoning. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

We spit bile and act like you are the devil incarnate because you keep equating us to GOP psychopaths when we are just trying to fix the goddamn mess they made, and they will never EVER fucking admit that they made the mess. NO, NO, NO. You see, the liberals are the ones who made the mess.

 

[glenn1]

The vitriol is a result of the constant stream of bullshit from conservatives. All the Clinton "investigations" and the hundreds of bullshit claims about Obama, everything from birtherism to Jade Helm, it is pure insanity pouring non-stop from the GOP. I don't even like Hillary or Barack but it seems like I do because I am constantly pointing out the bullshit behind every attack. Each false attack that comes from the right just makes people less and less interested so that when there is something that is actually wrong, nobody fucking cares anymore.

You're no better anyway with your false "both sides the same" narrative. You admit here that the GOP politicians are awful and Democrat politicians are more level-headed, yet you aren't going to vote to make the country better because liberals on this board are spitting bile? WTF man? That is some fucked up reasoning. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

We spit bile and act like you are the devil incarnate because you keep equating us to GOP psychopaths when we are just trying to fix the goddamn mess they made, and they will never EVER fucking admit that they made the mess. NO, NO, NO. You see, the liberals are the ones who made the mess.

Left and right doesn't even agree on what the problem is, how could they ever agree on a solution?

The key takeaway is the primary concerns of the ultra-partisans from both parties mean extremely little to the bulk of voters, and their proposed approaches for dealing with those concerns are even worse. For example the average Democrat may be concerned about inequality but isn't going to favor 90% tax rates on the rich to address it. And the average Republican may be appalled by abortion but they aren't going to support closing down every women's clinic to reduce abortions.

 

[MongGrel]

There seem to be several choices missing, one of which is: I create political polls that don't offer nuanced choices.

This.

 

[BurnItDwn]

I like processed meats, as well as regular meats.

 

[sm625]

Or maybe your ideas just suck and neither party implements them for that reason rather than "they're controlled by the same power."

It has nothing to do with my ideas you ignorant fool. They are factually destroying this country. That is not my idea or my opinion. Every bill they pass, every step they take, is ruinous. And most of that is because idiots like you cant think their way out of a paper bag enough to realize that they do not serve you or 99% of the other ignorant fools who keep voting for them.

 

[glenn1]

It has nothing to do with my ideas you ignorant fool. They are factually destroying this country. That is not my idea or my opinion. Every bill they pass, every step they take, is ruinous. And most of that is because idiots like you cant think their way out of a paper bag enough to realize that they do not serve you or 99% of the other ignorant fools who keep voting for them.

Now there's an example filled argument if I ever heard one.

 

[OutHouse]

However this forum has really made me despise Democrats.

thats the truth.

 

[shira]

I'm pro-choice, anti-war, anti-police-brutality, pro-drug-legalization, anti-death-penalty, pro-equality, anti-religion, pro-freedom-of-speech-even-if-you-want-burn-the-flag. Hardly the traits of a "right winger". But because I'm not 100% behind every Democrat idea, ultra-partisans act like I'm the devil incarnate.

This doesn't sound like you.

Can you give an example of the most moderate Democratic idea you're NOT 100% behind, that you think would cause left-wing ultra-partisans to attack you? Or are there any Republican ultra-partisan ideas you're behind?

 

[soulcougher73]

It has nothing to do with my ideas you ignorant fool. They are factually destroying this country. That is not my idea or my opinion. Every bill they pass, every step they take, is ruinous. And most of that is because idiots like you cant think their way out of a paper bag enough to realize that they do not serve you or 99% of the other ignorant fools who keep voting for them.

We found one.

 

[shira]

And Hillary is just plain vile.

What do you find to be so vile about Hillary that makes the current crop of Republican candidates seem acceptable by comparison? Please be specific.

This is a serious question.

 

[glenn1]

What do you find to be so vile about Hillary that makes the current crop of Republican candidates seem acceptable by comparison? Please be specific.

This is a serious question.

Policies-wise she's basically a Rockefeller Republican with a few genuflections to 'income inequality' and such. The later isn't my cup of tea but I also know she's not especially serious about it and it will likely expand quicker during her admin since she's on the side of the bankers. She's a fairly crass opportunistic politician but that's not a deal-breaker either. I will say her voice is shrill and sets my teeth on edge sometimes when I listen to her but that doesn't rise to the level of vile. If anything having her elected POTUS and having Congress remain in GOP hands would be about the ideal situation from my POV since that's the only time Washington ever shows spending constraint. I can just hit the mute button for when she's talking and not have to hear her voice, I can live with that.

 

[BoberFett]

The vitriol is a result of the constant stream of bullshit from conservatives. All the Clinton "investigations" and the hundreds of bullshit claims about Obama, everything from birtherism to Jade Helm, it is pure insanity pouring non-stop from the GOP. I don't even like Hillary or Barack but it seems like I do because I am constantly pointing out the bullshit behind every attack. Each false attack that comes from the right just makes people less and less interested so that when there is something that is actually wrong, nobody fucking cares anymore.

You're no better anyway with your false "both sides the same" narrative. You admit here that the GOP politicians are awful and Democrat politicians are more level-headed, yet you aren't going to vote to make the country better because liberals on this board are spitting bile? WTF man? That is some fucked up reasoning. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

We spit bile and act like you are the devil incarnate because you keep equating us to GOP psychopaths when we are just trying to fix the goddamn mess they made, and they will never EVER fucking admit that they made the mess. NO, NO, NO. You see, the liberals are the ones who made the mess.

Thank you for demonstrating my point.

 

[Exophase]

But as for the rank-and-file voters? I find Republicans far more tolerant and compassionate towards others than the typical Democrat. The average Democrat I know, here or in real life, is typically a miserable, awful human being who is more interested in hating Republicans than anything else.

I think progressives are simply more vocal and stand out more in social circles because that's part of what it means to be more progressive. Progressives are more prone to wanting to change everything, conservatives are more prone to wanting to keep everything the same. And you change things by being heard. The end result is a far more left-leaning media (especially online media that is more viral and less of an echo chamber by design like Fox News), social media, forums, etc.

Which also results in the more extreme and obnoxious elements being more visible.