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Political Cartoon of the day
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BaliBabyDoc
Lifer
There's no answer for that . . . they never have an answer . . . aside from saying . . . "we cannot afford to fail." To which I typically respond, "too late."
Sheik Yerbouti
Lifer
Right, he went there orginally to spread democracy, I remember it being tons of WMD's. Shouldn't he be in that hole himself and looking at us?
How many of the people of the countries 28mil+inhabitants are killing and fighting? How many are just trying to make a life for there kids. Painting them all with the same brush is the same as saying all Americans are copies of Bush/CEO's/Greedy Capitalist and all are intent on doing nothing but spreading US power no matter what, which as we know isn't the truth.
halik
Lifer
Well in that case, we should be able to leave them alone, because the want the democracy and will make the sacrifice...right? Didn't you just argue that we can't pull out? Which one is it?
The word itself in the original greek form starnds for "rule/power of the people". People. Not soldiers and foreign powers... people. If they are not willing to make the sacrifices themselves, your democracy is missing the demos;
Both, and there you are stuck in the mentality of the people in the cartoon. If it does not happen overnight it will not happen.
So we should leave because the 28million plus do not have the weapons and training to fight the militia/insurgents that are actively killing them? Or do we stay and protect the 28million so that they can see the benefits of democracy, though slowly?
halik
Lifer
You're missing the point - revolution always comes from people with no weapons and no training. There is never anything sincere about a revolution conducted with armed forces. That's how individuals usurp power. .
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I've seen college kids get beaten (even to death), hosed with a firetruck, arrested and shot all in a protest for their self evident liberties. And every day they would be back, knowing the same will happen. And then other people joined them, professionals, parents, teachers and then more and more. People finally saw the chance of freedom and were willing to make the sacrifice. That's something you won't get in iraq or in any imposed "democracy" - there are no empowered people, no cause that unites them. All you've succeeded in doing is empowering a bunch of power hungry individuals and created sectarian antipathy.
Red Dawn
Elite Member
Fsck the Iraqis. We should have done what the Reagan Administration did and just paid Sadam off and looked the other way when he killed his own people. Hell now that he's gone the Iraqis have picked up the slack and are actually trying to out do him when it comes to killing each other.
lozina
Lifer
themusgrat
Golden Member
It is not just about freeing the Iraqis, it is about the bigger picture. As the most powerful nation on the earth, we have the responsibility to help others out. You need to look past today and see tomorrow. The world will be a better place with Iraq being a free nation. In any case, we cannot pull out now, so get out of your ivory tower and see the world for what it is, and don't tell me that Iraq doesn't matter. And those people do not want us there because we made numerous tactical errors. Blowing up everything in sight was our mindset, and now that we have effecitvely destroyed their infrastructure, they don't like it. But they do like freedom, which is one major reason that we are there. If we can show them that we are there for their good, not just ours, we can win them over. But I agree that that will be hard to do now, so we need to get out as soon as possible, and stop trying to put our people in power. That is another main problem, we want people in power there that love us, and that will do whatever we say. But simply put, that is not the best thing for Iraq, and they need someone who will put Iraq ahead of the US, or any other nation. If we were to stop messing with their politics, that would go a long way.
Orignal Earl
Diamond Member
An illegal, unprovoked invasion, based on a lie, with the liars then attempting to justify their crime with another lie, untold thousands dead, Iraq in ruins, America's reputation destroyed, trillions of dollars wasted, our enemies strengthened and emboldened, and you post a ludicrous cartoon of the fool who spearheaded this unnecessary mission impossible in hopes of what? In hopes that the fool minding the supposed tree of "democracy" that will never bear fruit and was NOT the reason, and indeed couldn't be the reason for invading another nation because it is ILLEGAL for any nation to invade another to institute their idea of what another's political system "should" be, in hopes that this continued moronic discourse on "democracy" will somehow convince anyone outside the White House and their paid propagandists?
THE INVASION OF IRAQ OR ANY NATION CAN ONLY BE JUSTIFIED IF THAT NATION HAS ATTACKED US OR POSSIBLY IF AN ATTACK FROM IRAQ OR ANY OTHER NATION IS IMMINENT. BOTH OF THESE SCENARIOS WERE PATENTLY AND OBVIOUSLY UNTRUE. TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO JUSTIFY THIS DISASTER OF FOREIGN POLICY LED BY A GROUP OF MADMEN WHO ARE PROFITING HANDSOMELY FROM THE DEATH AND DESTRUCION IS ABSURD. PERIOD.
THE INVASION OF IRAQ OR ANY NATION CAN ONLY BE JUSTIFIED IF THAT NATION HAS ATTACKED US OR POSSIBLY IF AN ATTACK FROM IRAQ OR ANY OTHER NATION IS IMMINENT. BOTH OF THESE SCENARIOS WERE PATENTLY AND OBVIOUSLY UNTRUE. TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO JUSTIFY THIS DISASTER OF FOREIGN POLICY LED BY A GROUP OF MADMEN WHO ARE PROFITING HANDSOMELY FROM THE DEATH AND DESTRUCION IS ABSURD. PERIOD.
Agreed. The job is to bury the mindless idiots that started this war of lies and find a more competent groupt to at least try to lead us out of the hole the Bushwhackos dug for us. :|
The next job will be to try everyone in this adminstration for treason, and then ship them off to the Hague to be tried for torture and other crimes against humanity.
RightIsWrong
Diamond Member
Your post sounds really good in theory and in flocks where people don't know that there were and still are other nations where things that are much worse than what was occuring in Iraq exist. Look at Sudan and Darfur. Genocide is commonplace. Look at China where human rights violations are taking place daily. Look at other third world countries that are abusing children in sweatshops.
You bought into the talking points and rhetoric of this administration. Was Saddam a ruthless bastard? Yes he certainly was. Did he kill his own people? Yes he did. Does that make him the biggest threat to the US? Not a chance. Your post reeks of propaganda. If you truly believed what you are saying, you would have added that, right after we leave Iraq, we should head to Cuba, then Haiti, then Chechnya, then Georgia, then.....
In essense, you are advocating that we take over the world for the good of the world.
Like they used to say in my neighborhood when I was growing up......DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!
I guess Hitler felt the same way about things...considered himself the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth and all. I wonder how many other megalomaniacs throughout history have felt they had the right to inflict their ideas on the rest of the world because they had the right?
Bullsh!t.
Bullsh!t.
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