Policeman freaks out during traffic stop

[disappoint]

The other part of this we haven't touched on is that it appears the officer searched the car without consent - hard for me to see how he had any reasonable basis to believe there would be evidence of a crime in the car.

His picking up a prostitute isn't a crime?

 

[marmasatt]

That is BS. I'm all for cops, but this guy has problems. Emotional, social problems. He's stressed beyond belief. It's affecting his ability to effectively do the job. You can't treat people like that. He's completely irrational. Juts lost it....Whatever it is, the job, problems at home, doesn't matter. There is no excuse for that IMO.

 

[Eli]

And this is why so many people are so distrustful of cops, myself included. Sorry jlee.

 

[MixMasterTang]

His picking up a prostitute isn't a crime?

Giving a prostitute a car ride, taking her to dinner, buying her drinks or having sex with her isn't a crime. Offering her money for sex, or getting sex in return for money or a gift (even though this happens with married people on a daily basis) is however illegal.

 

[olds]

No.

Blackmail?

 

[KK]

Blackmail?

Why would the prosecutor even worry about potential lawsuits. His job is strictly to prosecute people, isn't it?
And what can the arrestee actually sue for besides maybe emotional distress and maybe false imprisonment. It's not like he was beat down or anything like that.

 

[Wreckem]

Why would the prosecutor even worry about potential lawsuits. His job is strictly to prosecute people, isn't it?
And what can the arrestee actually sue for besides maybe emotional distress and maybe false imprisonment. It's not like he was beat down or anything like that.

His civil rights were violated, illegal search, unlawful arrest, malicious prosecution(maybe if the DA went through with charged), most definately would have filed an IIED claim. He could sue. You don't have to be beat down to sue.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Why would the prosecutor even worry about potential lawsuits. His job is strictly to prosecute people, isn't it?
And what can the arrestee actually sue for besides maybe emotional distress and maybe false imprisonment. It's not like he was beat down or anything like that.

Harassment, for one.

 

[Ackmed]

And this is why so many people are so distrustful of cops, myself included. Sorry jlee.

Yeah, because the vast majority of the time, the police only make the news for bad things. Thousands of good cops doing good things every day go unnoticed.

We've seen a few bad priests, judges, politicians, teachers, etc bring shame to their profession. A profession that is supposed to help the common citizen. The bad out shines the good by far. Even though far more good is done than bad. Thats just the way the media is, and most people are these days.

But go ahead and hate on cops, apparently its the cool thing to do now days.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

His picking up a prostitute isn't a crime?

It is if it occurred, but that doesn't mean the cop would have had a reasonable suspicion that he would find evidence in the car. Even if the guy were soliciting, what evidence would that leave in the car?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Blackmail?

No.

 

[AMCRambler]

I said I would not arrest the other officer on scene in that situation. If he needs to get arrested, it can happen later (probably involving an outside agency - like when a Lieutenant a local department was arrested by State Police). It's not like nobody knows who or where he is. Your solution could end with one, if not two dead people. My solution ends with an appropriate resolution.

There's no immediate need to arrest someone if it can be done later in a better/safer fashion. Same with anything else - if a guy commits a crime and I know where I can find him later, why should I chase him down alone and get in a fight on the side of the road if I can get a warrant, get a few more guys, and handle it in a much safer manner?

If the DA decided to prosecute and a warrant was issued, I would certainly go arrest a fellow officer. No problem at all. However, getting in a fight during a traffic stop on the side of the road when there is a better way to handle it? Bad idea.

Anything else you care to misquote to fit your personal agenda?

All well and good except in this instance if that "perp" had been anything less than as cooperative as he was, that cop would have shot him dead. And then it's too late. The whole "let IA handle it" philosophy is fine, unless you are the only other person on scene to stop a bad cop from doing the wrong thing. I hope you wouldn't stand by and wait for IA to come handle it.

 

[Eos]

Yeah, because the vast majority of the time, the police only make the news for bad things. Thousands of good cops doing good things every day go unnoticed.

We've seen a few bad priests, judges, politicians, teachers, etc bring shame to their profession. A profession that is supposed to help the common citizen. The bad out shines the good by far. Even though far more good is done than bad. Thats just the way the media is, and most people are these days.

But go ahead and hate on cops, apparently its the cool thing to do now days.

Scene: Interior of a tv news studio:

"Back to you Jim."

"In local news, all police did their jobs today. They didn't violate a single suspect's rights, all the while solving our city's crimes."

Come on. NO ONE gets reported on for doing what they're supposed to do. That would take all of the newsreader's time, leaving nothing for real news. Like beating a perp, or shooting a grandma holding a manual can opener in a threatening manner.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

His picking up a prostitute isn't a crime?

NOpe!

Paying a prostitute for sex is a crime; giving her a ride to your motel room = 100% legal.

It is if it occurred, but that doesn't mean the cop would have had a reasonable suspicion that he would find evidence in the car.

right; he'd have to be dropping off a prostitute and think he'd find a video of him paying her!

"in related news the congress has balanced the budget and the president has overseen the eradication of terrorist organizations"

hum.. that would make the news..

and if cops did something new to make a substantial change in the crime rate then that too would be reported...

too bad none of those headlines are going to come to be.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Scene: Interior of a tv news studio:

"Back to you Jim."

"In local news, all police did their jobs today. They didn't violate a single suspect's rights, all the while solving our city's crimes."

Come on. NO ONE gets reported on for doing what they're supposed to do. That would take all of the newsreader's time, leaving nothing for real news. Like beating a perp, or shooting a grandma holding a manual can opener in a threatening manner.

This. You better be saving buildings from burning children or something equally epic to be recognized for doing your job.

 

[FDF12389]

All well and good except in this instance if that "perp" had been anything less than as cooperative as he was, that cop would have shot him dead. And then it's too late. The whole "let IA handle it" philosophy is fine, unless you are the only other person on scene to stop a bad cop from doing the wrong thing. I hope you wouldn't stand by and wait for IA to come handle it.

Get real.

Officer A: That's it, you broke the law officer B, I'm arresting you.
Officer B: Put your hands up Officer A, you're under arrest.

Obviously the dialog is simple, but you get the point.

Also, if encountering a civilian a suspect that was wearing a vest, equally trained and armed as I was, and was not actively doing someone bodily harm I would choose to address the situation later, with backup, if that option was readily available.

This guy wasn't given a pass just because the second officer didn't arrest him on the spot.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

This happened literally 15 minutes from my house.

 

[kY]

This happened literally 15 minutes from my house.

Is it a rough neighborhood?

 

[Howard]

Is it a rough neighborhood?

It's Richie Madano's base of operations.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

This happened literally 15 minutes from my house.

Turns out...
Turns out...

Time is not LITERALLY a distance.

 

[sigurros81]

Yeah, because the vast majority of the time, the police only make the news for bad things. Thousands of good cops doing good things every day go unnoticed.

We've seen a few bad priests, judges, politicians, teachers, etc bring shame to their profession. A profession that is supposed to help the common citizen. The bad out shines the good by far. Even though far more good is done than bad. Thats just the way the media is, and most people are these days.

But go ahead and hate on cops, apparently its the cool thing to do now days.

My idiot radar just went off so I had to reply. The bad does not outshine the good, it's when a person who is not doing his or her job that makes the news. I'll give you the benefit of possibly being naive, but there's also news stories about people going above and beyond the call of duty just as well.

As for this cop, it's great that he's socially and professionally crucified for his behavior. Hopefully this will serve as a reminder for other lawenforcement officers that their job is to serve and protect the public trust.

 

[mattpegher]

Cop was an asshole from the beginnig, so its not like the guy carrying got a chance to say anything.
That said, when you decide to cruise the hookers, leave the gun at home. Imagine that if you were going to buy dope, and the cops caught you, do you think they would respond favorably to you carrying.
When you plan to commit a crime, all be it a minor one here, you are taking a chance of engagement with police, and you don't want your head blown off, and have your family have to sue for wrongful death.

 

[Lithium381]

Follow up on this one? Has the cop gotten a medal or award from the mayor yet for upholding the values of the polices department and his dedication to protect and serve?

 

[Dr. Zaus]

That said, when you decide to cruise the hookers, leave the gun at home.

WHAMEY!

Do you know what kind of cuts you'll get on your hands if you do that?!

Gez man, give a guy a break, he probably didn't have money to pay afterwards so he was just getting ready to do the COPS JOB FOR THEM and clean up the streets a bit.

and have your family have to sue for wrongful death

like these tapes would have seen the light of day... "seems the equipment malfunctioned by catching itself on fire... too bad you can't see that he drew his gun on me..." and if necessarily "sonofabitch shot my partner to".

 

[drquest]

Follow up on this one? Has the cop gotten a medal or award from the mayor yet for upholding the values of the polices department and his dedication to protect and serve?

Looks like the cop has been on paid administrative leave since June 20th according to this article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/26/ohio-cop-curses-out-gun-owner_n_910367.html