Police Will Abide by Ohio's Open Carry Gun Laws at Convention

[NAC4EV]

Cleveland's police chief said Wednesday he would prefer that people not bring firearms to the Republican National Convention that kicks off next week — but said it is legal to do so.
"It's the law in this state and as police chief, I'm bound to uphold the law in this state," Police Chief Calvin Williams said at a news conference Tuesday.
More than 5,000 police officers are expected to be on hand when the Republican convention begins Monday.
The party's controversial candidate, Donald Trump, is expected to be nominated at the convention, and the city is bracing for protests.
Three hundred police officers on bikes will be patrolling, and part of their job will be separating potentially hostile groups from one another, a police official confirmed.
There will be two rings of security outside the convention. No guns will be allowed in a secure zone inside the convention site and right outside it, an area controlled by the Secret Service.
In the larger area outside the event, guns will be permitted in accordance with Ohio state law, but other items — including knives, paintball guns, and umbrellas with sharp tips, will be prohibited, officials said.



Members of the controversial "black power" group the New Black Panther Party plan to pack legal heat when they hold rallies in Cleveland in conjunction with next week's Republican convention if the law allows, the group's chairman said.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Law abiding people are going to do stuff that's legal. This is epic news.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Members of the controversial "black power" group the New Black Panther Party plan to pack legal heat when they hold rallies in Cleveland in conjunction with next week's Republican convention if the law allows, the group's chairman said.

Thanks for pointing out the real issue here is armed black people.

 

[Humpy]

....guns will be permitted in accordance with Ohio state law, but other items — including knives, paintball guns, and umbrellas with sharp tips, will be prohibited, officials said.

Hahaha. Awesome!

 

[PokerGuy]

Are you suggesting the police chief should have said "well, the law shouldn't apply here, I'll just create a different set of rules"? If open carry is permitted in that state, then open carry is permitted and people can exercise their rights. Brandishing, threatening etc are absolutely not permitted, and that's where the police can step in to take care of any idiots that cause trouble.

Of course, the reality is that if you are going to cause trouble (as many of these protestors obviously want to do), then being armed is going to increase your chances of getting killed while doing so exponentially.

 

[Paratus]

Law abiding people are going to do stuff that's legal. This is epic news.

To paraphrase a movie, here's the problem:

It would be well for your government to consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity... is inherently DANGEROUS. Wars have begun that way, Mr. Ambassador.

Having a bunch of angry pro and anti whatever in the same area, openly armed, with heavily armed police in the area has a significant risk of ending tragically if anyone misbehaves.

Hopefully everyone will be cautious.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Of course, the reality is that if you are going to cause trouble (as many of these protestors obviously want to do), then being armed is going to increase your chances of getting killed while doing so exponentially.

Do you include all the open carry "patriots" sure to swarming around in that as well or just the "these protestors" types?

 

[PokerGuy]

Having a bunch of angry pro and anti whatever in the same area, openly armed, with heavily armed police in the area has a significant risk of ending tragically if anyone misbehaves.

Hopefully everyone will be cautious.

Of course there's higher risk when you have the usual thugs who have demonstrated their tendency towards violence (the anti-Trump protestors), but you can't suspend everyone's legal rights because of that. You just need to make sure you take whatever precautions you can. And if you're one of the repubs attending, you'd better believe you should be armed to defend yourself from the anti-trump thugs.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Of course there's higher risk when you have the usual thugs who have demonstrated their tendency towards violence (the anti-Trump protestors), but you can't suspend everyone's legal rights because of that. You just need to make sure you take whatever precautions you can. And if you're one of the repubs attending, you'd better believe you should be armed to defend yourself from the anti-trump thugs.

Well that answers that.

 

[NAC4EV]

Quote:
Originally Posted by NAC4EV
....guns will be permitted in accordance with Ohio state law, but other items — including knives, paintball guns, and umbrellas with sharp tips, will be prohibited, officials said.

Hahaha. Awesome!

I pissed myself laughing at that one too.

 

[glenn1]

Thanks for pointing out the real issue here is armed black people.

You left out the part at the end of the sentence ".... who break the law." And that would be applicable no matter if the armed person in question was black, white, or whatever other race, color, or ethnicity.

 

[blankslate]

Thanks for pointing out the real issue here is armed black people.

No no you misunderstand... it's not armed black people that's an issue it's armed irresponsible people.... Trump supporters are imminently responsible while his detractors aren't... what? did I say something... insensitive? /facetious


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[JockoJohnson]

You left out the part at the end of the sentence ".... who break the law." And that would be applicable no matter if the armed person in question was black, white, or whatever other race, color, or ethnicity.

Don't be silly. That wouldn't fit his narrative of all conservatives/Repubs being racist. Let him live in his delusional world where he thinks every cons./repub hates black people and wants less rights for them.

 

[Jaskalas]

Having a bunch of angry pro and anti whatever in the same area, openly armed, with heavily armed police in the area has a significant risk of ending tragically if anyone misbehaves.

Hopefully everyone will be cautious.

Completely agreed. Also why open carry has no place on city streets.

 

[theeedude]

No guns will be allowed in a secure zone inside the convention site and right outside it, an area controlled by the Secret Service.

So the Republican party will only allow the Federal government to carry guns inside its convention, and not law abiding citizens?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Don't be silly. That wouldn't fit his narrative of all conservatives/Repubs being racist. Let him live in his delusional world where he thinks every cons./repub hates black people and wants less rights for them.

That narrative certainly doesn't need any help from me. Carry on.

 

[glenn1]

So the Republican party will only allow the Federal government to carry guns inside its convention, and not law abiding citizens?

It's not their call to make, they're just one stakeholder of many who would need to agree. From the owner of the venue, Secret Service, the fire marshal, whatever emergency/evacuation laws are in place for this type and size of gathering, etc. And what's appropriate for a limited egress venue containing thousands of people isn't necessarily the same for what's appropriate on the sidewalk outside that venue, or the sidewalk a couple miles away.

 

[HomerJS]

It's not their call to make, they're just one stakeholder of many who would need to agree. From the owner of the venue, Secret Service, the fire marshal, whatever emergency/evacuation laws are in place for this type and size of gathering, etc. And what's appropriate for a limited egress venue containing thousands of people isn't necessarily the same for what's appropriate on the sidewalk outside that venue, or the sidewalk a couple miles away.

If a shot is fired how do cops tell good guy from bad guy?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Having a bunch of angry pro and anti whatever in the same area, openly armed, with heavily armed police in the area has a significant risk of ending tragically if anyone misbehaves.

Hopefully everyone will be cautious.

I can't recall a time when an open carry demonstration actually turned violent. Open carry participants tend to be more law abiding and less likely to kill than the general population.

I'm sure it's easy to allow your mind to run wild with the possibilities and imagined dangers, but your fears aren't based on historical reality.

 

[glenn1]

If a shot is fired how do cops tell good guy from bad guy?

Same way we would if concealed carry was prohibited at the venue and yet someone brought one in and started shooting I suppose. That's probably a question better addressed to the security professionals who would need to respond either way whether CC was allowed or not.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This us really a rural vs city discussion. I totally get someone who lives where there are fewer people saying what's to fear. I imagine what if .1% of the crazy homeless were armed or 1% of the hipster douche bags were armed or 5% of the meat heads that troll around the city looking for fights were armed.

 

[Humpy]

If a shot is fired how do cops tell good guy from bad guy?

The good guys are wearing a uniform.

 

[MongGrel]

LEO's I have ever had a conversation with about open carry say they prefer it.

They know exactly who to watch, more or less.

Concealed is were the surprise comes from.

Just having weapons in general near any event like that is a security botch up waiting to happen of course.

 

[Jhhnn]

Of course there's higher risk when you have the usual thugs who have demonstrated their tendency towards violence (the anti-Trump protestors), but you can't suspend everyone's legal rights because of that. You just need to make sure you take whatever precautions you can. And if you're one of the repubs attending, you'd better believe you should be armed to defend yourself from the anti-trump thugs.

Well that answers that.

Completely fucking nuts, huh?

There are times & places for firearms. This probably isn't one of them.

 

[theeedude]

It's not their call to make, they're just one stakeholder of many who would need to agree. From the owner of the venue, Secret Service, the fire marshal, whatever emergency/evacuation laws are in place for this type and size of gathering, etc. And what's appropriate for a limited egress venue containing thousands of people isn't necessarily the same for what's appropriate on the sidewalk outside that venue, or the sidewalk a couple miles away.

Republican politicians have argued that theaters would be safer if people in the audience were carrying guns.