Police terrorize a 10 year old black girl because she drew a picture of someone bullying her

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VW MAN

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Nobody gets humor anymore I suppose.

I'm bored, so I'll respond.

I've been on this forum for about 20 years. If I was truly bullied...I could just leave (you'd all me me though...it's why I came back!). The difference in what happened as a child, and these forums is that I can just walk away. I would have loved to have been "Cyberbullied" as a child, instead of the "swirlys", Phone-book smash, locker-jamming and dumpster-toss. Cyberbullying would certainly have been better than the Senior year fistfights. Let's get real. Bullying via internet isn't really bullying if you can walk away from it all.
So you said you were bullied on these forums then when asked for evidence you backpedal lmao!
 
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I don't care if she drew a picture of the other girl getting shot, the school should've handled it with their trained and certified counselors. The police are extremely illequiped to deal with something like this.

Please show me the law that says a school or anyone else has to call the police on someone because you or your lawyer told them to. Obviously this wasn't an active or current threat of violence.

Then the police went on to violate the girl's rights be questioning her without a parent present and refusing to allow the parent from accessing her.
You're rather dense aren't you? You refuse to look up anything. Do your fingers work for anything other than stirring a pot?

Yes, most every school system in the U.S.A has PHD specialists trained to diffuse school shootings and provide therapy. Every school can field a SWAT team. Lawyers control family units. Happy?
 
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So you said you were bullied on these forums then when asked for evidence you backpedal lmao!
Ummm... I expected better from you. Note the "smiley", in that it's a bit of self-deprecating humor....which was totally lost...like throwing pearl to the swine.
 
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You're rather dense aren't you? You refuse to look up anything. Do your fingers work for anything other than stirring a pot?

Yes, most every school system in the U.S.A has PHD specialists trained to diffuse school shootings and provide therapy. Every school can field a SWAT team. Lawyers control family units. Happy?
Wtf are you even talking about? Obviously you have no interest in having an actual conversation about this.

At least around here districts are required to have certified school counselors on staff.

What exactly do you think was accomplished by police arresting and questioning this girl while violating her rights, that couldn't have been accomplished by the school counselor?
 
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Wtf are you even talking about? Obviously you have no interest in having an actual conversation about this.

At least around here districts are required to have certified school counselors on staff.

What exactly do you think was accomplished by police arresting and questioning this girl while violating her rights, that couldn't have been accomplished by the school counselor?

Be honest, what don't you understand, and we can have a "real" conversation (PM me if you must).
 
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Nobody gets humor anymore I suppose.

I'm bored, so I'll respond.

I've been on this forum for about 20 years. If I was truly bullied...I could just leave (you'd all me me though...it's why I came back!). The difference in what happened as a child, and these forums is that I can just walk away. I would have loved to have been "Cyberbullied" as a child, instead of the "swirlys", Phone-book smash, locker-jamming and dumpster-toss. Cyberbullying would certainly have been better than the Senior year fistfights. Let's get real. Bullying via internet isn't really bullying if you can walk away from it all.
So just trolling.
 

HomerJS

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I'm not interested in spoon feeding you, since the narrative from the ACLU suits your point of view and you refuse to be bothered with anything further.

The school had no choice but to call the police when the parent (they had an attorney) insisted that they (the school) escalate. Common sense says that when someone gets a lawyer and then approaches a school with a demand for police response, that the drawing wasn't something run of the mill. You go on thinking that the kid drew a picture of rainbows and lollipops.

The kid might not have intended to act violently, and may have just been venting...who knows? The FACTS are not in question.

1. Kid was bullied
2. Said kid drew pictures that triggered a kid(s) to tell parents
3. Parent(s) get attorney
4. Parents reach out to school with demands
5. School reacts by complying with policy for threats of violence

Not much to argue here
Or I can put it another way just like the black football player who was being harassed with a confederate flag.

Black people get threatened.
Black people complain
Black people are the ones disciplined not their aggressor
 

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Or I can put it another way just like the black football player who was being harassed with a confederate flag.

Black people get threatened.
Black people complain
Black people are the ones disciplined not their aggressor
Same school? If not, then it might not be at all relevant to this situation or this thread. If it was this same school, please give some more details. Might be a pattern.
 
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Or I can put it another way just like the black football player who was being harassed with a confederate flag.

Black people get threatened.
Black people complain
Black people are the ones disciplined not their aggressor

This should cheer you up.



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The Texas teen who injured four people when he allegedly opened fire at his high school celebrated his release from jail with a twisted welcome home party – even as one of the victims remains in a coma.

Timothy George Simpkins, 18, who attends Timberview High School in Arlington, posted $75,000 bond at Tarrant County Jail on Thursday and headed to home confinement.

The fight was broken up and the two students calmed down, but then Simpkins pulled out a firearm from his backpack and fired several shots that struck Selby and two other people, according to an arrest warrant.




 

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One other detail in the CNN story.


In the days after her arrest, the girl told her mother that she drew the picture but several other students were involved in coloring and writing on it, the group says in the letter.
The girl said "she did not want the drawing delivered but one of the other students snatched it from her hands and delivered it anyways," the ACLU said in the letter.

Girl says other kids were involved in creating the drawing. Assuming this is true, if the drawing was disturbing, seems like the school should be asking why several students have a problem with the alleged bully.
 

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No offense but you are assuming. You don't know much of anything and you rushed to judgement.

We dont have enough facts to be making declarations about anything yet. This is another fine example of the "news" getting very little info before writing the story, because it seems interesting on the surface and they know it will get page hits, which of course leads to revenue.
We need a lot more, and based on modern journalisms complete lack of follow up to stories like this, I dont know when we'll get more.
Of course I'm assuming. We all make assumptions about everything in life. You never have all the facts. All you can do is your best to make reasonable assumptions. While the facts might be fairly sparse to be making assumptions here, I think in this case it is warranted because there are very few situations that would make the police response reasonable. I think my assumptions on this are quite reasonable.

1) I assume the girl was unarmed at the time.
2) I assume the girl didn't pose an immediate threat to her classroom.

If both of those are true, then police have no business being directly involved with the girl, and are harming more than helping the situation. Should they further investigate to make sure the girl doesn't have a stock pile of weapons somewhere? Sure. Should they go into the school and handcuff the girl or interrogate the girl? Absolutely not, and I believe race is likely at play here just because of the nationwide statistics of school and police discipline of children of color vs white children.

Almost certainly, what this girl needs is to meet with a social worker trained in childhood behavior, not some police officer who best case scenario has participated in a couple of workshops.
 
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Too many comments about the one-sided ACLU picture painted by the OP. I see no police or school racism here. The parents of the threatened kid might be racist (who knows), but there's no way to tell, since their kid was actually threatened, with proof to back it up.

The parents of one of the kids threatened in that drawing contacted the School and insisted that the school refer the child it to the police (ergo school not racist). If only they would have done that in Columbine....those kids were pretty vocal about what they intended, but people blew it off.

In my previous career, people that were either dangerous to themselves OR others were routinely cuffed until things could get sorted out. In some circumstances, we violently took them down, yet in others we created a ruse, and once safely away, cuffed them as gently as they (the person being cuffed) would allow. There were a few times that it wasn't an option, and sometime people got hurt.

Age isn't a factor when violence is concerned. Guns are the great equalizer. Imagine all the ways a mad, tantrum-throwing 10 year old (claims was ADD) with a gun might behave, and the answers are endless. They handled the restraint portion without tact, and hurt people feelings. Officers had no way to know is the girl had access to a gun, knife or anything else.

The police weren't wrong for arresting/cuffing the kid, just not very experienced I'd imagine, at arresting kids at a school. If the same thing happened at my place of work, the same response would have happened.

Train police on how to respond to school incidents and chalk it up to experience learned. Then get all the involved kids and parents a Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.
your a bootlicker.........thx for coming out of the closet...
 
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JEDIYoda

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One other detail in the CNN story.




Girl says other kids were involved in creating the drawing. Assuming this is true, if the drawing was disturbing, seems like the school should be asking why several students have a problem with the alleged bully.
I still don`t get what is so disturbing about a frekin drawing.....yuo would think that would fall under "freedom of speech"?? Regardless the kid also has rights!!
 

Meghan54

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I still don`t get what is so disturbing about a frekin drawing.....yuo would think that would fall under "freedom of speech"?? Regardless the kid also has rights!!

Haven’t you learned anything? Freedom of speech rights, as well as any other damned “right” you care to consider, were written by whites exclusively for whites. Sheesh….
 

HomerJS

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Haven’t you learned anything? Freedom of speech rights, as well as any other damned “right” you care to consider, were written by whites exclusively for whites. Sheesh….
Rights are for white people
Consequences are for people of color
 

HomerJS

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Same school? If not, then it might not be at all relevant to this situation or this thread. If it was this same school, please give some more details. Might be a pattern.
Not same school but a pattern in this country.

Rights are for white people
Consequences are for people of color.
 

maluckey1

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your a bootlicker.........thx for coming out of the closet...
I feel sorry for you. Maybe this can help you to understand.

Understanding Anger-Guilt Splits | Psychology Today.

Of course I'm assuming. We all make assumptions about everything in life. You never have all the facts. All you can do is your best to make reasonable assumptions. While the facts might be fairly sparse to be making assumptions here, I think in this case it is warranted because there are very few situations that would make the police response reasonable. I think my assumptions on this are quite reasonable.

1) I assume the girl was unarmed at the time.
2) I assume the girl didn't pose an immediate threat to her classroom.

If both of those are true, then police have no business being directly involved with the girl, and are harming more than helping the situation. Should they further investigate to make sure the girl doesn't have a stock pile of weapons somewhere? Sure. Should they go into the school and handcuff the girl or interrogate the girl? Absolutely not, and I believe race is likely at play here just because of the nationwide statistics of school and police discipline of children of color vs white children.

Almost certainly, what this girl needs is to meet with a social worker trained in childhood behavior, not some police officer who best case scenario has participated in a couple of workshops.

I think that it's great that you see goodness in people...seriously. I wish more people did.

Unfortunately, this wasn't a chance encounter with a kid, In this case, the kid was the subject of a violence complaint. We all know that kids can, and do kill kids at school over bullying, so officers were cautious.

Boy, 6, Accused in Classmate's Killing - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

In police work, you can NEVER assume that someone is unarmed or harmless until you talk it out in a safe space. It's the reason the kid was cuffed. The officers would be unwilling to do a pat down in this scenario, especially in front of other kids. Cuff, then move to a safe location then do a safety interview in that order. It's police 101.

The interview clarifies the situation, threat assumptions, and also helps establish if further action is merited. Once it's determined that the risk isn't there, cuffs come off, and the subject is released (as appropriate to the scenario).

Until the facts were known, the police were responding to a kid that threatened a kid with violence. Whatever the drawing showed, It was bad enough for a kid to share it with a parent, and for that parent to get a lawyer and contact the school and demand police involvement.

To me at least, this appears to be angry people trying to use this for their platform or agenda. The other thig is that this is OLD news. It happened almost two years ago.
 

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Not same school but a pattern in this country.

Rights are for white people
Consequences are for people of color.

I'll take that it's not related to this particular school, and that your comment is trying to highlight that in-group (predominantly run by whites) schools have shown questionable behavior.

I'll also raise you one and say that classism is doubling down on that as well. "Afflueza" affected rich kids get away with more than poor kids. Even worse is that black kids are often more economically disadvantaged, having a larger percentage of the family units with single-income and/or low income.

The State of America's Children 2020 - Child Poverty — Children's Defense Fund (childrensdefense.org)
 

JEDIYoda

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I feel sorry for you. Maybe this can help you to understand.

Understanding Anger-Guilt Splits | Psychology Today.



I think that it's great that you see goodness in people...seriously. I wish more people did.

Unfortunately, this wasn't a chance encounter with a kid, In this case, the kid was the subject of a violence complaint. We all know that kids can, and do kill kids at school over bullying, so officers were cautious.

Boy, 6, Accused in Classmate's Killing - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

In police work, you can NEVER assume that someone is unarmed or harmless until you talk it out in a safe space. It's the reason the kid was cuffed. The officers would be unwilling to do a pat down in this scenario, especially in front of other kids. Cuff, then move to a safe location then do a safety interview in that order. It's police 101.

The interview clarifies the situation, threat assumptions, and also helps establish if further action is merited. Once it's determined that the risk isn't there, cuffs come off, and the subject is released (as appropriate to the scenario).

Until the facts were known, the police were responding to a kid that threatened a kid with violence. Whatever the drawing showed, It was bad enough for a kid to share it with a parent, and for that parent to get a lawyer and contact the school and demand police involvement.

To me at least, this appears to be angry people trying to use this for their platform or agenda. The other thig is that this is OLD news. It happened almost two years ago.
I feel sorry for people like you!! It was a drawing dude!!1 Don`t you get it?? All your excuses about threat assessment are just plain freakin idiotic!! All your excuses about children killing children, in this case they are all horse shit!!
Back the blue no matter what......
 
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I feel sorry for you. Maybe this can help you to understand.

Understanding Anger-Guilt Splits | Psychology Today.



I think that it's great that you see goodness in people...seriously. I wish more people did.

Unfortunately, this wasn't a chance encounter with a kid, In this case, the kid was the subject of a violence complaint. We all know that kids can, and do kill kids at school over bullying, so officers were cautious.

Boy, 6, Accused in Classmate's Killing - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

In police work, you can NEVER assume that someone is unarmed or harmless until you talk it out in a safe space. It's the reason the kid was cuffed. The officers would be unwilling to do a pat down in this scenario, especially in front of other kids. Cuff, then move to a safe location then do a safety interview in that order. It's police 101.

The interview clarifies the situation, threat assumptions, and also helps establish if further action is merited. Once it's determined that the risk isn't there, cuffs come off, and the subject is released (as appropriate to the scenario).

Until the facts were known, the police were responding to a kid that threatened a kid with violence. Whatever the drawing showed, It was bad enough for a kid to share it with a parent, and for that parent to get a lawyer and contact the school and demand police involvement.

To me at least, this appears to be angry people trying to use this for their platform or agenda. The other thig is that this is OLD news. It happened almost two years ago.
So you have one example of a six year old killing a classmate. How many examples do you have of children killing people while adults are in the process of providing support for that child and investigating the severity of the threat that could have been prevented by sending in the police to immediately arrest the child? Traumatizing children with this type of police interaction increases the likelyhood of future crime and decreases public trust in police. What you describe is police 101 in America, the nation with the highest prison population in the world. America's police 101 doesn't appear to be working so well.

Police are all fighting vaccine mandates when Covid is currently the biggest killer of police in our country right now. Maybe they should get vaccinated and stop putting young kids in handcuffs all the time.
 

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I'll take that it's not related to this particular school, and that your comment is trying to highlight that in-group (predominantly run by whites) schools have shown questionable behavior.

I'll also raise you one and say that classism is doubling down on that as well. "Afflueza" affected rich kids get away with more than poor kids. Even worse is that black kids are often more economically disadvantaged, having a larger percentage of the family units with single-income and/or low income.

The State of America's Children 2020 - Child Poverty — Children's Defense Fund (childrensdefense.org)
abso-fucking-lutely
 
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So you have one example of a six year old killing a classmate. How many examples do you have of children killing people while adults are in the process of providing support for that child and investigating the severity of the threat that could have been prevented by sending in the police to immediately arrest the child? Traumatizing children with this type of police interaction increases the likelyhood of future crime and decreases public trust in police. What you describe is police 101 in America, the nation with the highest prison population in the world. America's police 101 doesn't appear to be working so well.

Police are all fighting vaccine mandates when Covid is currently the biggest killer of police in our country right now. Maybe they should get vaccinated and stop putting young kids in handcuffs all the time.
Really? Laziness doesn't suit you well.

List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia

Is that enough to prove that there's a problem? How many parent of the deceased kids wished that the police would have stopped it? Are you willing to meet with them and explain that because your feelings towards cops are bad, that they should allow their kid to die.
 

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I feel sorry for people like you!! It was a drawing dude!!1 Don`t you get it?? All your excuses about threat assessment are just plain freakin idiotic!! All your excuses about children killing children, in this case they are all horse shit!!
Back the blue no matter what......

In all 50 states there are laws against making terroristic threats. A parent was concerned enough about said drawing to escalate. All 50 states must be wrong and you're right. Got it.

What Is a Terrorist Threat? What Are Criminal Penalties? | CriminalDefenseLawyer.com