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pinktank

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what manner of a response is that? it shouldn't be that surprising, I hope, or is this wishful thinking
 
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pinktank

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that what is real? did you watch it? It's not like I'm talking about a stealthy conspiracy or anything
 
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Originally posted by: pinktank
that what is real? did you watch it? It's not like I'm talking about a stealthy conspiracy or anything
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Very professionally edited film. You don't get to see everthing. You only get to see what the person telling the story wants you to see. On top of that, they get to tell you what you are seeing.

~How do you know its real?
 
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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: pinktank
that what is real? did you watch it? It's not like I'm talking about a stealthy conspiracy or anything
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Very professionally edited film. You don't get to see everthing. You only get to see what the person telling the story wants you to see. On top of that, they get to tell you what you are seeing.

~How do you know its real?
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To follow along that..

what if I had made the video and dubbed in a voice for the cop when he was looking at the first guy with the sign..


"oh that guy, he was here last time there was a riot and put Charles in the hospital, lets hold him for a few hours than let him go just to make sure, don't want this to get out of hand"

It would put a whole new spin on it.

As I said earlier, the Kent state shootings were much worse than any recent "protest quelling" that we have had recently. If that was the worst its gotten for us regarding protests we keep going forward in ensuring they are mostly peacefull. The fact you get together 2000 people or so does not give you the right to have your word made into law, that is why we have elections, what it does do is bring your issue up. The fact that 2000 or so people were outside your board room chanting is going to bring your topic up anyway.

Also, during a protest you inconvenience people who live on that street, who work on that street, who use that street in there everyday life and chances are not all those people will support your issue, so whose rights are more important? Protests will be dispersed, be thankful they are dispersed now with tear gas and rubber bullets rather than rifle shots to the chest like they use to be.
 
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Although I'm seeing part of it, I'm still seeing what I'm seeing, personally, I don't care if a single bottle was thrown or not, for me, that doesn't give them any tight whatsoever either.

As I stated in the original post, it includes a little too much drama (in form of depiction) for my taste, but still conveys an important message. The sole police footage without any accompaniments would do it for me as well.

So that's how I know that it's real, having said that, I also know that is not the whole reality.
 
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There are too many things wrong with that video to use it as a selling point. First off the guy who was tackled, although he may not have asked for it, was carrying a sign with an image of a man with a cock in his mouth. Gandhi worthy? I think not.
Secondly anyone who brings a baby or small child to a public protest is a complete and total idiot. It does not matter whether or not the crowd is peaceful. Wherever there is a crowd with protesters on one side and police on the other you must assume, as a thinking human being, that there might be trouble. Pick and choose your battles people. The message is part of the battle. You can't win if you don't use your head.
 
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Originally posted by: pinktank
Although I'm seeing part of it, I'm still seeing what I'm seeing, personally, I don't care if a single bottle was thrown or not, for me, that doesn't give them any tight whatsoever either.

As I stated in the original post, it includes a little too much drama (in form of depiction) for my taste, but still conveys an important message. The sole police footage without any accompaniments would do it for me as well.

So that's how I know that it's real, having said that, I also know that is not the whole reality.
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There is no message depicted here besides fear mongering which that side of the fence accuse the other of doing. "Oh they try to scare you to control you!!" I see nothing wrong with tear gas and rubber bullets used to disperse a crowd. You might think that allowing a crowd to continue to surge and surge is a good idea, but it can easily escalate out of hand (see french riots). Protests are used to enable your message to be heard, they accomplished that.

They excersized there right to protest.
 
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Originally posted by: pinktank
Although I'm seeing part of it, I'm still seeing what I'm seeing, personally, I don't care if a single bottle was thrown or not, for me, that doesn't give them any tight whatsoever either.

As I stated in the original post, it includes a little too much drama (in form of depiction) for my taste, but still conveys an important message. The sole police footage without any accompaniments would do it for me as well.

So that's how I know that it's real, having said that, I also know that is not the whole reality.
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No. You are seeing what they are showing you, and the message it conveys is the message they are selling you.

It could be real, but how do you know it's real?

~THINK.

~Don't let other people think for you.
 
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Could it be that the police are taping events such as these to protect themselves? You know how many media outlets will NOT show the full footage in order to rile people up? You know how hard it is to identify trouble makers once it begins? Taping is perfectly acceptable, non-invasive form of recording everything that happens. You don't want to be taped? You don't want to be arrested? Two choices...don't show up, or make sure your protest is peaceful. Not that difficult.
 
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pinktank

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I'm not thinking this is the greatest thing since sliced bread or anything, it's not even one my perosnal favourites but I thought it might be an eye opener for some. I for one condone the message they are selling while I would agree they fail at points like the aforementioned sign person X was carrying although it was gas-pump and not a sex organ, which would not carry such a message to person who is not actually knowledgeable of the alternate possibilty. I also believe that tear gas and rubber bullets + the video issue isn't closely O.K. form of crowd control at all. There are types of riots, that one wouldn't go french on you, actually, hardly any riot in the us would do that. Oh and please don't give me the think message, I'm not going yay for ron paul fresh out of high school.

I've seen protests where the innocent was actually arrested, we also see what's happening with the taser use, combined, I think the police abuses it's potential of phsyical suppression.
 
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Originally posted by: pinktank
I'm not thinking this is the greatest thing since sliced bread or anything, it's not even one my perosnal favourites but I thought it might be an eye opener for some. I for one condone the message they are selling while I would agree they fail at points like the aforementioned sign person X was carrying although it was gas-pump and not a sex organ, which would not carry such a message to person who is not actually knowledgeable of the alternate possibilty. I also believe that tear gas and rubber bullets + the video issue isn't closely O.K. form of crowd control at all. There are types of riots, that one wouldn't go french on you, actually, hardly any riot in the us would do that. Oh and please don't give me the think message, I'm not going yay for ron paul fresh out of high school.

I've seen protests where the innocent was actually arrested, we also see what's happening with the taser use, combined, I think the police abuses it's potential of phsyical suppression.
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There is nothing "happening with the taser use" besides a few over exaggerated incidents and a little hysteria flamed by Cop haters.
 
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Originally posted by: pinktank
I think taser use should be limited for extreme cases only, period.
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It is against the law to resist arrest. If you resist arrest you have to be forcefully arrested.

If you have to forcefully arrest someone 4 feet from a highway with 65-70 mph traffic passing by on it then the safest way to do this for both the officer and the person being arrested is to taze them.

If you don't want to be tazed, then don't be a dumb ass 4 feet from highway traffic.


As far as this video goes it was a very interesting piece of fiction. I saw first hand how "peaceful protesters" get their way here in New Orleans recently.

Show up in mobs and storm your way into a peaceful city council meeting and shout down anyone who says something you disagree with.

Try to force your way into the next city council meeting when the chambers are already full and shout them down again. Is this what you meant by democracy pray tell?


The funny thing is that 99% of the protesters here were upper class rich white children of the baby boomers who are sad and depressed because mommy and daddy got to protest Vietnam and they only get to protest the tearing down of rat and lead paint infested, run down, hell holes.

The ultimate irony is most of them didn't even know where the projects were or how bad of shape they were in, much less actually spending a night in or even near one.
 
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I would agree with you in that the protestors are employing what we could call middle class charity porn, but not all of them are so. I personally know many people who take this seriously and learn their subject through thorough research. "It is against the law to resist arrest. If you resist arrest you have to be forcefully arrested." This issue could be and is abused so much that it's ridiculous, there is something called the common sense, you don't have to tase someone who is obviously oblivious to what's happening, especially after you gave them a search.
 
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Originally posted by: JD50

There is nothing "happening with the taser use" besides a few over exaggerated incidents and a little hysteria flamed by Cop haters.
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Nope, tasers are being over used. There are plenty of incidences of people being killed when there was no need for them to be tased.

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You label people as "cop haters" or you could just open your eyes.
 
OutHouse

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that video sucks, first off the videos are being taken by LOCAL cops not by DHS. when there is a line of riot police with DHA on their shields then come back and bitch.
 
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