Police standoff after man attacks Dallas police station w/ bombs and armored van

[Londo_Jowo]

I'm not familiar with his story at all but yes he obviously planned this for a while and it's worth looking into if his grievances were legitimate.

If he didn't want to be considered a terrorist, he shouldn't have acted like one in 2013.

http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/Paris-Police-seek-armed--dangerous-man-205608221.html

The Paris Police Department says a man considered armed and considered dangerous after he obtained firearms, ammo, and body armor and then threatened violence against his family, churches, and schools has been apprehended by sheriff's deputies in Paris Wednesday morning.

Paris Police Chief Bob Hundley says the Lamar County Sheriff's Office took James Boulware into custody in the 1700 block of Lamar Avenue around 11:30 a.m. Wednesday.

 

[Ichinisan]

Source

I had no idea there was any link to my town when I started the thread. The "zombie" thing makes sense. The Walking Dead is huge in my town because most of the show is shot in and around my town. Melissa McBride (Carol) lives (lived?) in my apartment building for years while working on the show. A coworker just posted a selfie on Facebook of him posing with Darryl (sp?) a few days ago.

Jenco Sales is a customer of my employer and I have dealt with them before regarding Internet service.

 

[Ichinisan]

8k seems cheap for an actual working van with supposed up armored paneling, bullet proof glass and all the mods involved. To me I would think it's a movie prop.

If people could seriously up armor their vehicles for 2-3k they'd be all over the place.

If it wasn't used in TWD already, they probably hoped to sell it to the production team because the show is filmed in / around Newnan, GA. It's probably just meant to look like a zombie apocalypse van and probably isn't quite "bulletproof."

 

[Wreckem]

So let me get this right....

Man is charged with some 'terrorist' (probably bullshit) charge that negates his ability to be a father and people are surprised when he does terrorist shit? GTFO!

How you treat people comes back to you. Treat people like animals and they'll respond like animals. In this case he was treated as a terrorist so you got a terrorist response.

The real issue here is an ignorant law causing a man to lose the ability to be a father. Was his actions of those that warranted the 'terrorist' label? What would this charge be called pre 9/11?

No one can support random bombings and shootings as in this case but in order to stop them from continuing we have to ask why this happened. What caused this guy to lose it? He had to know this was a deathwish once he put this ball in motion so ask yourself, what would push you to that point?

He purchased a vehicle online which demonstrates he planned it and in doing so shows thought. It wasn't some random act. That tells me it was in direct response to something done to him. So if we know the law is what pushed this man to the brink, does that warrant a revisit to ensure the law isn't overbearing?

You guys can have the last word.

The statues for making a terroristic threat have been on the books far longer than September 11. People hear the terroristic threat charge and jump on 9/11/terrorism.

Freedom of speech does not let you go around making threats of violence to others, especially groups of others. If they actually followed through with prosecuting him for the felony he ACTUALLY committed based on all accounts in the original incident this would have been avoided.


(a) A person commits an offense if he threatens to commit any offense involving violence to any person or property with intent to:
(1) cause a reaction of any type to his threat by an official or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies;
(2) place any person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury;
(3) prevent or interrupt the occupation or use of a building, room, place of assembly, place to which the public has access, place of employment or occupation, aircraft, automobile, or other form of conveyance, or other public place;
(4) cause impairment or interruption of public communications, public transportation, public water, gas, or power supply or other public service;
(5) place the public or a substantial group of the public in fear of serious bodily injury; or
(6) influence the conduct or activities of a branch or agency of the federal government, the state, or a political subdivision of the state.

(b) An offense under Subsection (a)(1) is a Class B misdemeanor.
(c) An offense under Subsection (a)(2) is a Class B misdemeanor, except that the offense is a Class A misdemeanor if the offense:
(1) is committed against a member of the person's family or household or otherwise constitutes family violence; or
(2) is committed against a public servant.

(d) An offense under Subsection (a)(3) is a Class A misdemeanor, unless the actor causes pecuniary loss of $1,500 or more to the owner of the building, room, place, or conveyance, in which event the offense is a state jail felony.
(e) An offense under Subsection (a)(4), (a)(5), or (a)(6) is a felony of the third degree.

 

[CZroe]

They spelled "Newnan" incorrectly.

Nice straw man there. I don't think many people have an issue of the state or a local authority keeping heavier gear in reserve. The issue is its somewhat casual use.

So I guess I didn't read this (quoted below) on these forums?

Well I would say, unless the cop has been actually shot at or assaulted, he cannot use his firearm. Pretty simply standard. Now I know a few more cops would probably be killed if this was the new standard, but that is a price that I am willing to pay.

Go on pretending these jerks don't exist on these forums, Brainonska511. It's as bad as defending them.

 

[Blanky]

If he didn't want to be considered a terrorist, he shouldn't have acted like one in 2013.

http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/Paris-Police-seek-armed--dangerous-man-205608221.html

Prius, hardly a terrorist's vehicle! But yeah if the other stuff is true he was a bad guy.

 

[waggy]

Prius, hardly a terrorist's vehicle! But yeah if the other stuff is true he was a bad guy.

I don't know. I don't trust people who drive a Prius.

 

[NoStateofMind]

The statues for making a terroristic threat have been on the books far longer than September 11. People hear the terroristic threat charge and jump on 9/11/terrorism.

Freedom of speech does not let you go around making threats of violence to others, especially groups of others. If they actually followed through with prosecuting him for the felony he ACTUALLY committed based on all accounts in the original incident this would have been avoided.


(a) A person commits an offense if he threatens to commit any offense involving violence to any person or property with intent to:
(1) cause a reaction of any type to his threat by an official or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies;
(2) place any person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury;
(3) prevent or interrupt the occupation or use of a building, room, place of assembly, place to which the public has access, place of employment or occupation, aircraft, automobile, or other form of conveyance, or other public place;
(4) cause impairment or interruption of public communications, public transportation, public water, gas, or power supply or other public service;
(5) place the public or a substantial group of the public in fear of serious bodily injury; or
(6) influence the conduct or activities of a branch or agency of the federal government, the state, or a political subdivision of the state.

(b) An offense under Subsection (a)(1) is a Class B misdemeanor.
(c) An offense under Subsection (a)(2) is a Class B misdemeanor, except that the offense is a Class A misdemeanor if the offense:
(1) is committed against a member of the person's family or household or otherwise constitutes family violence; or
(2) is committed against a public servant.

(d) An offense under Subsection (a)(3) is a Class A misdemeanor, unless the actor causes pecuniary loss of $1,500 or more to the owner of the building, room, place, or conveyance, in which event the offense is a state jail felony.
(e) An offense under Subsection (a)(4), (a)(5), or (a)(6) is a felony of the third degree.

How many of those laws do you think the u.s. government breaks against its own people daily?

Also, do you think a verbal threat should terminate someone's right to be a parent?

 

[JEDI]

The van was purchased on eBay. It has holes all around for poking gun barrels through to shoot out from inside the van. Police had to use a .50-cal gun to disable it.

The news keeps saying he's upset about losing custody of his children. Is that really the fault of police officers?

[edit]
So it turns out the van was sold from my town. I've actually dealt with Jenco Sales as one of my clients through my employer.

Makes sense that it was sold as a "zombie apocalypse" survival / defense thing. The Walking Dead is filmed in / around my town. A major cast member lived in my apartment building for years while working on the show (Melissa McBride, Carol). My friend posted a selfie a few days ago posing with Darryl (sp?). The show is huge here. If it wasn't used in the show, someone probably hoped to sell it to the producers.

how much did he buy the armored van for?

 

[Wreckem]

How many of those laws do you think the u.s. government breaks against its own people daily?

Also, do you think a verbal threat should terminate someone's right to be a parent?

Lets see.

The incident that "took away his child" was a series of serious misdemeanors and felonies.

Domestic Violence
Aggravated assault
Terroristic Threats towards family members
Terroristic Threats to a group of the community
Terroristic Threats made towards a government entity

Sadly, the Dallas County DA's office didn't follow through with prosecution and sent him through their pre-trial diversion process. Nor did they follow up on his mental health status. The guy by all accounts was a mentally unstable nutjob prior to his incident in 2013 and in the years since had further mental decline.

Furthermore, he lost conservatorship of the child, he did not lose all contact with the child. Both he and the child's mother were determined to be unfit parents. His mother was apparently awarded managing conservatorship of the child and both biological parents had some form of possessory conservatorship. The custody ruling apparently only happened a month or two ago. He followed that ruling up with facebook posts to the Judges facebook page with series of rambling posts, including, "You will pay!!!" back at the beginning of May.

 

[mizzou]

They spelled "Newnan" incorrectly.


So I guess I didn't read this (quoted below) on these forums?



Go on pretended these jerks don't exist on these forums, Brainonska511. It's as bad as defending them.

Young teenagers with no life experience make terrible assumptions of world views

What is dangerous nowadays though, is that these juvenile views of the world are now seen as journalistic material because it is "published material" that journalists can sift through for story production.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Lets see.

The incident that "took away his child" was a series of serious misdemeanors and felonies.

Domestic Violence
Aggravated assault
Terroristic Threats towards family members
Terroristic Threats to a group of the community
Terroristic Threats made towards a government entity

Sadly, the Dallas County DA's office didn't follow through with prosecution and sent him through their pre-trial diversion process. Nor did they follow up on his mental health status. The guy by all accounts was a mentally unstable nutjob prior to his incident in 2013 and in the years since had further mental decline.

Furthermore, he lost conservatorship of the child, he did not lose all contact with the child. Both he and the child's mother were determined to be unfit parents. His mother was apparently awarded managing conservatorship of the child and both biological parents had some form of possessory conservatorship. The custody ruling apparently only happened a month or two ago. He followed that ruling up with facebook posts to the Judges facebook page with series of rambling posts, including, "You will pay!!!" back at the beginning of May.

I said in the beginning that I'd let you (everyone) have the last word and I have not held myself to my statement due to curiosity. Forgive me.

When you list charges like that it gives a certain perception (that's in the states favor of course). When you say 'domestic violence' what actually happened? What was the 'aggravated assault'? What were the exact words that gives the fear inciting charge of 'terroristic threat'?

IMO, its easy for people to look at charges and just leave it at that. However doing so is a disservice, not only to your fellow man, but to yourself as well.

Obviously he felt the charges were frivolous and decided that he'd get retribution. Is the State the only entity that is allowed to determine if these charges should have been given? If so, what recourse does one have once legal options are exhausted? With the stigma of 'terrorist' on your record? WTF!?

But you still didn't answer my questions above about whether you think verbal threats should remove ones ability to be a parent. I see you're saying he didn't lose entire interaction with the child which is good but if it affected his interaction with his biological child at all then I feel we need to investigate the States intervention and their subsequent removal of his Rights.