Police shoot man walking away from them

madoka

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And keep shooting when he is crawling away.

Maybe there is another angle that will come out, but that video doesn't look good for the cops.

http://ktla.com/2015/12/12/1-person...involved-shooting-in-lynwood-authorities-say/

Deputies first responded to several calls reporting a person -- described as a black man wearing a checkered shirt -- was seen with a gun near Magnolia and Alpine avenues, Lt. Eddie Hernandez with the sheriff's Homicide Bureau said.

Additional callers told officials the man was moving eastbound on Magnolia, toward Long Beach Boulevard, a block away from the initial report.

At one point, Robertson was said to be actively shooting, according to Hernandez. It was not known where he was allegedly shooting, or if one or more witnesses reported this detail.

Responding deputies gave him "several commands" to drop the gun.

"We have witnesses that say that the suspect turned, pointed the gun at the deputies, and a deputy-involved shooting occurred," Hernandez said.

Investigators had yet to speak to the deputies involved as of Saturday afternoon, he said.

A person who wished to remain anonymous sent KTLA a 29-second video Saturday afternoon that apparently captured some of fatal incident.

In it, a sheriff's deputy follows a man who appears to be walking away from the official and next to an Arco gas station.

At least a dozen gunshots can then be heard being fired, and the man falls to the ground.

Once on the ground, the camera panned to focus solely on the man, who crawls next to the gas station and away from the gunfire.

After a pause in audible gunfire, at least a dozen additional shots are heard.

The camera then panned back to two deputies, who both had arms raised and were pointing guns in the man's direction.

At least one of the deputies then fired additional shots before the video ends.

It was not clear from the video if both deputies had fired their weapon, but when slowed down, more than 30 shots can be heard.
 

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So, the guy had shot his gun into the air in an area with people present. The guy had pointed the gun at the police. The guy was walking toward more people, holding the gun? If the police just walked behind him and the guy shot some innocent bystanders, seems the OP would be complaining that the cops didn't do enough.

The only part of this that bears scrutiny is whether the guy was still armed or moving toward a gun on the ground after the first round of shots. If so, it's justified. If not, then the police were completely out of line to start shooting again.

You've got to be a special kind of stupid - or attempting suicide by cop - or out of your mind - to ignore their request to put down a gun. You've got to be an extra special kind of stupid to think that in such a case, where an armed man who reportedly had been shooting his weapon in public and was walking toward people, the police were unjustified with using lethal force.
 

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I saw some of the footage of this one. Man was seen brandishing a gun and firing it off (perhaps not shown in the video.) I don't see any reason for outrage here. He was a clear threat. If there is other information that I am missing then I'd be open to seeing it.
 
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So, the guy had shot his gun into the air in an area with people present. The guy had pointed the gun at the police. The guy was walking toward more people, holding the gun? If the police just walked behind him and the guy shot some innocent bystanders, seems the OP would be complaining that the cops didn't do enough.

The only part of this that bears scrutiny is whether the guy was still armed or moving toward a gun on the ground after the first round of shots. If so, it's justified. If not, then the police were completely out of line to start shooting again.

You've got to be a special kind of stupid - or attempting suicide by cop - or out of your mind - to ignore their request to put down a gun. You've got to be an extra special kind of stupid to think that in such a case, where an armed man who reportedly had been shooting his weapon in public and was walking toward people, the police were unjustified with using lethal force.

According to the still in the article I linked, he still has the gun:

 

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According to the still in the article I linked, he still has the gun:
Sorry - I didn't see the images - noscript was blocking the images from loading. I just saw the images - justified shooting. Why is there even a thread about this? Seems there are plenty of unjustified cases, no need to water down the discussion of police misconduct by introducing cases where there really wasn't any police misconduct.
 

madoka

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Why is there even a thread about this? Seems there are plenty of unjustified cases, no need to water down the discussion of police misconduct by introducing cases where there really wasn't any police misconduct.

Did you watch the video?

The first dozen shots I can understand. He was carrying a gun and ignoring their commands.

It's the dozen shots when he was on the ground crawling away from them that are going to be problematic.
 

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Did you watch the video?

The first dozen shots I can understand. He was carrying a gun and ignoring their commands.

It's the dozen shots when he was on the ground crawling away from them that are going to be problematic.

The video cap above shows he clearly had his gun out while he was crawling.
 

realibrad

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Did you watch the video?

The first dozen shots I can understand. He was carrying a gun and ignoring their commands.

It's the dozen shots when he was on the ground crawling away from them that are going to be problematic.

The guy could still fire the gun while on the ground crawling. Say he quickly rolls over and fires. Do you not think that is possible? I'm in CA Bay area now so lets see what happens?
 

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Not only is this not a case of police misconduct, this seems to be a case of them doing exactly what they are supposed to do and doing it well.
 

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Did you watch the video?

The first dozen shots I can understand. He was carrying a gun and ignoring their commands.

It's the dozen shots when he was on the ground crawling away from them that are going to be problematic.

He still had the gun in his hand while he was crawling. What do you want the cops to do, walk up to him and be like, "Please sir, would you kindly drop that gun?" Get real. I'm glad that the police force hasn't been scared by the public into acting after innocent people are shot.

How about this, if you don't want to get shot by the police, don't walk around the neighborhood waving a gun in the air like a lunatic.
 

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The cop training and screening needs to be far better.

I think the problem is the initial pay for police is low compared to risk. This lowers the job attractiveness to only lower quality candidates.

(Low pay, lower quality candidates applying,poor training,poor screening) + (lower average IQ*/mentally challenged americans) = big problem in the next 30 years when it comes to local law enforcement.



IQ test inflation is a problem.
 
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So, the guy had shot his gun into the air in an area with people present. The guy had pointed the gun at the police. The guy was walking toward more people, holding the gun? If the police just walked behind him and the guy shot some innocent bystanders, seems the OP would be complaining that the cops didn't do enough.

The only part of this that bears scrutiny is whether the guy was still armed or moving toward a gun on the ground after the first round of shots. If so, it's justified. If not, then the police were completely out of line to start shooting again.

You've got to be a special kind of stupid - or attempting suicide by cop - or out of your mind - to ignore their request to put down a gun. You've got to be an extra special kind of stupid to think that in such a case, where an armed man who reportedly had been shooting his weapon in public and was walking toward people, the police were unjustified with using lethal force.

Agreed. Absolutely good shoot. No outrage found.
 

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Behaving irrational and had a gun in his hand pointing it at people ignoring commands to drop the gun. Cops did it exactly right in this one. The locals can chant and yell all they want but this is police behaving correctly.
 

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Did you watch the video?

The first dozen shots I can understand. He was carrying a gun and ignoring their commands.

It's the dozen shots when he was on the ground crawling away from them that are going to be problematic.

Are you implying that the only way to shoot a gun is if you're standing? You couldn't possibly shoot a gun from a prone position? Sorry, you're mistaken. http://www.odcmp.org/0208/default.asp?page=USAMU_PRONE1
The picture clearly shows the gun being held in what appears to be a firing position while he's crawling. They stopped shooting him when he went to the ground. Kudos to them. Then, they reassessed the situation and see that he's still a threat to the public, armed with a gun that's in his hand, barrel off the ground, raised to be fired.
 

Darwin333

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I am the first to be against cops wrongfully shooting people but I can't see if the guy still had a gun in his hand. On the surface it sounds like this is a good shoot, if he is crawling with a gun still in his hand and had previously been shooting it and pointed it at a cops I can understand them still considering him a threat.

Unless some other video comes out clearly showing that he dropped the gun and was no longer a threat I can't do anything but give the cops the benefit of the doubt on this one.
 

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I think the problem is the initial pay for police is low compared to risk. This lowers the job attractiveness to only lower quality candidates.

(Low pay, lower quality candidates applying,poor training,poor screening) + (lower average IQ*/mentally challenged americans) = big problem in the next 30 years when it comes to local law enforcement.



IQ test inflation is a problem.

Pay is not that big a issue for many medium/larger cities. Many pay in the 6 figures. Portland and had over 300 police officers making in the 6 figure range a couple years ago.

Now smaller towns I would agree, many follow general rules and do not treat their police as revenue generators for the city.
 

Darwin333

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I think the problem is the initial pay for police is low compared to risk. This lowers the job attractiveness to only lower quality candidates.

(Low pay, lower quality candidates applying,poor training,poor screening) + (lower average IQ*/mentally challenged americans) = big problem in the next 30 years when it comes to local law enforcement.



IQ test inflation is a problem.

That's a bunch of bullshit. First of all, the job isn't nearly as risky as you think. Roofers have a far riskier job and they start off making less and will never get the benefits package that they do.

More importantly is that police departments have an IQ cut off limit when they are hiring. Here's the thing though they have an upper limit meaning that if you are too smart they will use that as grounds to not hire you. One guy sued all the way up to Federal appeals court and they ruled in favor of police departments being able to discriminate against smart people.
 
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The only part of this that bears scrutiny is whether the guy was still armed or moving toward a gun on the ground after the first round of shots. If so, it's justified. If not, then the police were completely out of line to start shooting again.


This is the part that matters and all the witnesses are not talking about the initial shooting. No black man should walk around with a gun ever. They will get killed.