police pursuits vs. innocent people killed in the pursuits

[alphatarget1]

watching TV right now and they're talking about it.

what do you think? I don't believe the cops should be responsible for deaths of innocent bystanders. Cops are trying to enforce the law. It's the lawbreaker's fault that there are injuries for the innocents.

It doesn't matter how small the offence is, when a cop pulls you over, don't try to freaking escape. I personally think *any* injuries caused by pursuits should add a murder charge to the criminal simply because they're breaking the law.

 

[ElFenix]

maybe a manslaugter charge but i pretty much agree with you

 

[KK]

If someone runs, then the cops should be able to open fire on the vehicle. Well, if they do run and then get caught a nice pistol whipping should be mandatory.

KK

 

[Willoughbyva]

How can you say that it is the lawbreakers fault for something the cop does? Police need to be responsiable for their actions just like everyone else. I don't mean to be against cops or anything, but suppose a cop hits some one and kills them and says that they were persuing someone at the time. When in reality the cop was just being neglectful and wasn't persuing anyone. The cop can say that the person he was persuing got away and not have to worry about hitting and killing someone. Laws should be equal for all. No one should be above the laws. Not even cops.

 

[DaveSimmons]

attempted manslaughter or reckless endangerment or similar -- just like firing a handgun wildly without aiming at anything in particular. A felony too, so it counts for "three strikes" laws.

 

[rawoutput]

I think that if a cop is in a situation where he would have to chase a car where theres civilian traffic, then he should call in a helicopter instead until the path is safe. Blaming the getaway driver for murder because of a cops actions is like blaming a grocery store robber if the cops just toss a few grenades into the store and kill 15 hostages in the process.

 

[DaveSimmons]

he should call in a helicopter

with a sniper onboard

 

[Vic]

This is why we give cops radios and helicopters. There is no reason why some innocent bystander needs to be killed just because a cop is chasing some kid who ripped a bottle from the liquor store. Serve and Protect.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: kenleung
watching TV right now and they're talking about it.

what do you think? I don't believe the cops should be responsible for deaths of innocent bystanders. Cops are trying to enforce the law. It's the lawbreaker's fault that there are injuries for the innocents.

It doesn't matter how small the offence is, when a cop pulls you over, don't try to freaking escape. I personally think *any* injuries caused by pursuits should add a murder charge to the criminal simply because they're breaking the law.

Lets personalize this....

Say a cop during a high speed chase after someone who ran a red light, crashes into your car kills half your family and causes the rest to be restricted to a wheel chair for the rest of their lives. Would you consider the results, possibility of catching an idiot to be worth the cost to you and your loved ones?

 

[DanTMWTMP]

such as life

 

[notfred]

Some of the replies in this thread are ridiculous. Let's say a cop tries to pull someone over on the freeway for an illegal lane change. They continue to drive on the freeway, in the same lane, at the speed limit. (remember the OJ Simpson chase) YOu think you should be able to kill the guy for an illegal lane change and not stopping? And if the cop runs over a pedestrian, it's the driver's fault cause the cop didn't stop for him?

Do you people even think before you post?

 

[thomsbrain]

here's another vote for radio and choppers. cops cars are better than their stock counterparts, but they are still huge, bloated, ancient technology fossils (plus they usually have trunks full of heavy equipment AND they are operating radios while driving). a cop in one of those involved in a high speed chase is at least doubling the risk to the public compared to the original criminal by himself. better to let him think he got away (and thus slow down), follow him with the chopper, then nail him with a well placed roadblock.

 

[DaveSimmons]

You think you should be able to kill the guy for an illegal lane change and not stopping?

Sure, why not. After the first twenty are shown on "Fox - Wildest Police Executions" people will learn not to run from the police. Safer streets for everyone

 

[ElFenix]

"if the police have to come and get you, they're bringing an ass kicking with them"

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

You think you should be able to kill the guy for an illegal lane change and not stopping?

Sure, why not. After the first twenty are shown on "Fox - Wildest Police Executions" people will learn not to run from the police. Safer streets for everyone

So you think firing guns from moving cars at a crowded freeway is safer than letting someone continue to drive after changing lanes w/o signaling? Great idea.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

You think you should be able to kill the guy for an illegal lane change and not stopping?

Sure, why not. After the first twenty are shown on "Fox - Wildest Police Executions" people will learn not to run from the police. Safer streets for everyone

So you think firing guns from moving cars at a crowded freeway is safer than letting someone continue to drive after changing lanes w/o signaling? Great idea.

I already agreed to the use of a helicopter with sniper onboard

Actually the 'copter could just tail the car until the lane-changer gets home, then take out the scofflaw. That way they can still impound the car and auction it off.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

You think you should be able to kill the guy for an illegal lane change and not stopping?

Sure, why not. After the first twenty are shown on "Fox - Wildest Police Executions" people will learn not to run from the police. Safer streets for everyone

So you think firing guns from moving cars at a crowded freeway is safer than letting someone continue to drive after changing lanes w/o signaling? Great idea.

I already agreed to the use of a helicopter with sniper onboard

Actually the 'copter could just tail the car until the lane-changer gets home, then take out the scofflaw. That way they can still impound the car and auction it off.

If you're not being sarcastic, you're an idiot.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

You think you should be able to kill the guy for an illegal lane change and not stopping?

Sure, why not. After the first twenty are shown on "Fox - Wildest Police Executions" people will learn not to run from the police. Safer streets for everyone

So you think firing guns from moving cars at a crowded freeway is safer than letting someone continue to drive after changing lanes w/o signaling? Great idea.

Dude, do you always take things so damn seriously? Lighten up alittle. You'll enjoy life more that way.

KK

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: notfred
So you think firing guns from moving cars at a crowded freeway is safer than letting someone continue to drive after changing lanes w/o signaling? Great idea.

I already agreed to the use of a helicopter with sniper onboard

Actually the 'copter could just tail the car until the lane-changer gets home, then take out the scofflaw. That way they can still impound the car and auction it off.

If you're not being sarcastic, you're an idiot.

no I wasn't being serious, though excessive force towards criminals isn't entirely a bad idea.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: notfred
So you think firing guns from moving cars at a crowded freeway is safer than letting someone continue to drive after changing lanes w/o signaling? Great idea.

I already agreed to the use of a helicopter with sniper onboard

Actually the 'copter could just tail the car until the lane-changer gets home, then take out the scofflaw. That way they can still impound the car and auction it off.

If you're not being sarcastic, you're an idiot.

no I wasn't being serious, though excessive force towards criminals isn't entirely a bad idea.

Hard to tell on the internet... especially w/o any smileys.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Hard to tell on the internet... especially w/o any smileys.

I was in a Paul Verhoeven frame of mind, though "Fox - Wildest Police Executions" was a hint

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

It doesn't matter how stiff you make the penalties for someone trying to outrun the cops, or if you hold them liable for anyone the cop injures or kills during the pursuit. It''s not much of a deterrant when the whole reason they are running is because they think they can get away. I don't think cops should initiate a pursuit unless there is known felony involved. Carjacking, kidnapping, bank robbery, etc. and even then they shouldn't do much more than call in chopper and set up road blocks and spikes. The cops are not in control until that car stops, and chasing after some idiot who has niether his own safety or anyone else's in mind isn't exactly protecting the public. Pretty much all cops now have a dash cam and (I assume) can get a liscence plate number, if it's just some nimrod that didn't want to get a speeding ticket they should just bust his ass at his home.

 

[alphatarget1]

what ever happened to those rocket stuff that can be fired from a cop car and then disable the criminal's car from the bottom?

ok people, my point is that it's not the cop's fault that innocent bystanders get killed. If a cop tells you to stop you STOP. It's the criminal's fault for not obeying the law. I'm not disagreeing that some of these innocent deaths are ridiculous (dumbarses trying to get away from the cop from a ticket for instance) but what's the point of having law enforcement when you tell the cops not to enforce it?

I still think cops should chase down the criminal no matter what the circumstance is, but our government should take more measures to protect civilian life.