Police officers have quit their jobs across the nation.

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nOOky

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We ask a lot of our cops, we ask them to deal with mental health, medical/drug issues, weather or environmental issues along with bad guys that may be armed like soldiers. It's getting to be too much, and they need help. You ever have an encounter with a random idiot somewhere, and leave shaking your head? Cops deal with the worst of our society on a daily basis, people so bad some of us can't imagine. It would take some awfully smart people to be able to perform all of the functions that cops are being asked to do on a daily basis, almost every police dept. across the country needs reform.
 
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fskimospy

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We ask a lot of our cops, we ask them to deal with mental health, medical/drug issues, weather or environmental issues along with bad guys that may be armed like soldiers. It's getting to be too much, and they need help. You ever have an encounter with a random idiot somewhere, and leave shaking your head? Cops deal with the worst of our society on a daily basis, people so bad some of us can't imagine. It would take some awfully smart people to be able to perform all of the functions that cops are being asked to do on a daily basis, almost every police dept. across the country needs reform.
I think you’re right that we ask cops to do too much. That being said, the answer is to offload those responsibilities or give the cops more resources to do them.

Instead we have decided to give them impunity for crimes and egregious misconduct. That can never be the answer. The cops are out of control and need to be brought to heel.
 

Thump553

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Base pay should reflect the cost of living and positions of comparable education and responsibility. Perpetual overtime needs to go away. Working 60-80 hour weeks is very bad for mental health.

Police seek out and work overtime because those earnings are computed into their pensions. Given they can retire at full pension at a relatively young age (in my state, age 55 with 25 yrs service) that's a huge factor. It's not uncommon at all for a cop to add 50% or more to their base pay. And, as far as pay goes, police are paid very well here-just about the best paying blue collar job there is-even before the overtime pay.

Pay is not the problem-the culture perpetuated by the right wing "unions" is. Complaints that politics are ruining the job are essentially complaints about the public trying to control employees they hire and pay for instead of letting their "unions" run the show.
 

pauldun170

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Base pay should reflect the cost of living and positions of comparable education and responsibility. Perpetual overtime needs to go away. Working 60-80 hour weeks is very bad for mental health.
The police union played that card in my county.
Base pay (Note that this an OLD article)

....and perpetual overtime never went away.
 

TeeJay1952

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TV show Heroes had the "One of us, One of them" rule. (normal person and an enhanced one)
Perhaps the Patrol car would benefit from same rule with Peace officer and Social Worker or Community Coordinator?
A cop has a shit ton of training and various tools available to them. Gun is just one of the tools. It seems that it is the first tool and most common one being used.
If you want to be in Military join the Army.
 
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Homerboy

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So much this. If you are so afraid of being held accountable for your actions you quit then I say those are probably the cops we don’t want in the first place.

Came here to say this exact thing.
They're weeding themselves out.
 

ch33zw1z

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Too bad black people can't quit being black.
Do cops even realize the irony here?

No. For the racism built into policing, most certainly won't care. For the "blue lives matter" crowd, they certainly won't. For minority cops, they understand but it's the blue wall that entraps them. Many fall in love with their authoritarian abilities afforded by police unions.

As a free country, many many people certainly enjoy their militia police force. As long as it keeps the riff raff away, police don't apply it to certain parts of the population, and it works in their favor, what's the motivation to change? They get such good feels from oppressing the poors, pressing that holier-than-thou boot onto their necks. Hey, it's seems even literally.
 

DrunkenSano

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I'm glad police are quitting, time to decrease their budget tremendously. And the cop who says they are under equipped, what crack is he smoking? During the protests, we saw just how well equipped the police were. They were 1000x better equipped than our front line health care workers are during the COVID-19 explosion. Also, replace police officers who left with properly trained social workers. Not every call into 911 is a police issue, police have already stated that a lot of the calls they deal with they weren't trained to handle, like those with mental issues.
 

pauldun170

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TV show Heroes had the "One of us, One of them" rule. (normal person and an enhanced one)
Perhaps the Patrol car would benefit from same rule with Peace officer and Social Worker or Community Coordinator?
A cop has a shit ton of training and various tools available to them. Gun is just one of the tools. It seems that it is the first tool and most common one being used.
If you want to be in Military join the Army.

LOL
Want to be a cop? Veterans get preferential treatment.
Departments have become job corps for guys who joined the military immediately after high school and then joined the police force immediately after their contract was up.
We have an entire generation of police officer who have no concept of "we are all citizens" .
 
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I doubt it be that much but yes, as a whole we ARE being under-taxed.

the republicans have driven the taxbase to unsustainable levels since the reagan admin.

lol for upper middle-class households they are being drastically squeezed in most places.

Roughly 30% for federal income taxes (Federal Income + FICA [SS/MC])
Income taxes at the state level for most states
~8 - 10% sales tax in lots of places
~1-3% of your home value in property taxes depending on location.
Add on top of that Car payments, mortgage payments, etc... and you don't exactly have a lot of wiggle room for these tax increases you guys keep asking for.

You do realize that squeezing only the upper middle-class continuously isn't sustainable, right?
 

IronWing

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lol for upper middle-class households they are being drastically squeezed in most places.

Roughly 30% for federal income taxes (Federal Income + FICA [SS/MC])
Income taxes at the state level for most states
~8 - 10% sales tax in lots of places
~1-3% of your home value in property taxes depending on location.
Add on top of that Car payments, mortgage payments, etc... and you don't exactly have a lot of wiggle room for these tax increases you guys keep asking for.

You do realize that squeezing only the upper middle-class continuously isn't sustainable, right?
Maybe we could tax the wealthy instead, you know like the evil liberals have been advocating for decades.
 

woolfe9998

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I guess it depends on where you work. If you're in any of the major cities you're going to have a very difficult time. If you're a police officer in the suburbs like where I live it's mostly an easy time. Summers can be a bit hectic at the shore, but besides that we have a very small community, and not much happens here. The next town over the police patrol a mostly empty city with multi million dollar summer homes. In the article, police officers are saying that they feel unequipped, demorilized and restrained by politics. It's going to be a very difficult job that will be made even more difficult by smartphones. Think about this. Even if you're a good cop and you follow the book, you can still find yourself in hot water if you do one thing wrong. Imagine arriving on a call, doing your job, and having 6 smartphone cameras in your face. The tables are turning. The people have the upper hand it seems. Being a cop is going to be so difficult.


Except the article headline is misleading, and no, they are not. I read that yesterday and was left wondering how the headline was justified by the article's content. In MN, "more than half a dozen" have quit since the Floyd incident, with no specification as to their reasons. MPD has 800 officers. If 4 or 5 quit these past 2 weeks over Floyd, that is hardly surprising as that was the specific PD who was implicated in Floyd and has taken the most flack over it.

Other cases have groups of officers - in Florida and Buffalo - taking themselves off special assignments and going to different police assignments.

In all, the article doesn't make the case that there is a widespread issue. I mean, technically the headline is right "police have quit their jobs across the nation" as that case could be made by showing 2 cops quitting in 2 different cities. But the implication of the headline is not supported.
 

ch33zw1z

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What has she done specifically that warrants sympathy? How many of her peers has she turned in, reported for misconduct, whatever. I'm not ready to say she's right or wrong, but it seems like she wants sympathy, based on what?

Besides the fact that garbage food is garbage, and prior to this you could never see your food being made anyways. I worked food service for 8 years, and performed repairs afterwards in an IT gig. Food establishments are the most gross places to visit for repairs.
 
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Saw this on FB. Seems relevant m

"Imagine: Its 2025. You're getting pulled over. A community representative approaches to let you know you have a taillight out. They don't need your license and registration, they don't write you a fix-it ticket. You're back on the road in less than five minutes. You swing by the store and grab a new light, not because you're afraid of what the city will do to you, but because you respect your community and know that having all your lights working is part of the driving privilege.
Your neighbors got into a loud spat a few weeks ago and without fear or hesitation, called a domestic assistance number. A counselor arrived and was able to talk the couple down and suggest solutions for their disagreement. No one was hurt, the kids participated in the discussion, and it's been quiet ever since.
Your friend has been struggling with addiction and you fear they might be a danger to themselves or others. You call a substance abuse specialist and they talk you through ways to help your friend get treatment. They offer to send an agent out to speak with your friend directly and provide information on harm reduction centers in your area.
Black and brown people are no longer being exploited through tickets and fines to pay for police. Trust is slowly being fostered in the community.
When you see a police officer, you smile and wave rather than feel a fearful chill or avoid eye contact. You know that they're being held accountable by the citizens they have sworn to protect. They've undergone psychological evaluations to ensure that they took the job for the right reasons. They're slowly regaining respect in the community and are trained to be protectors, not warriors. (Sheepdogs, not wolves)
Teachers are being paid a living wage and students are being given more time, attention, and education. Books are up to date and classrooms are optimized to keep up with technology.
Trump is out of office.
You cant remember the last time the name of a murdered black person was used as a hashtag.
Casual racism is no longer tolerated. The KKK has been classified as a terrorist organization. The Confederate flag isnt flown and has been removed from any official state flags or insignias. Most Confederate monuments have been taken down and placed in storage or museums.
You trust the police to deal with crime the same way you trust firefighters to put out fires.
That's what 'defund the police' looks like. It'll be different for every department. If the corruption is bad enough, dissolution of the department may be necessary. Some departments may just need reform. But what we've seen in the last few weeks shows how overreaching and power-drunk many officers are. We asked too much of them and then called them heroes despite evidence to the contrary. We let them think that they could get away with anything, including murder. Its time for change."
 

KMFJD

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What has she done specifically that warrants sympathy? How many of her peers has she turned in, reported for misconduct, whatever. I'm not ready to say she's right or wrong, but it seems like she wants sympathy, based on what?

Besides the fact that garbage food is garbage, and prior to this you could never see your food being made anyways. I worked food service for 8 years, and performed repairs afterwards in an IT gig. Food establishments are the most gross places to visit for repairs.

it hilarious actually, poor thing is all traumatized from having to wait at mcd's
 

woolfe9998

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What has she done specifically that warrants sympathy? How many of her peers has she turned in, reported for misconduct, whatever. I'm not ready to say she's right or wrong, but it seems like she wants sympathy, based on what?

Besides the fact that garbage food is garbage, and prior to this you could never see your food being made anyways. I worked food service for 8 years, and performed repairs afterwards in an IT gig. Food establishments are the most gross places to visit for repairs.

I hear that many lawyers have done sleazy and criminal things. In fact, there are hundreds of lawyer jokes to confirm that this is the public perception. Should a person in food service, or any service for that matter, just I'm assume I'm one of the sleazy lawyers and be rude to me?

Garbage food is garbage. That is wholly irrelevant.
 

DrunkenSano

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If the police are becoming grumpy and unhappy about how they are being treated now, how people have a bad attitude about them, then there are two main points that they are clearly missing from what has been happening in their lives and they are missing the point of BLM protests.

One, if they are upset that their image is no longer the heroic, untarnished badge that it use to be, maybe they should start cleaning house themselves. Respect has to be earned, you don't get it anymore just because you put on a badge. That badge is no longer a badge of a hero, like a firefighter or an EMT worker. Police badges are badges of fear and oppression, if they want to get rid of it, they need to proactively get rid of all the 'bad apples'. If the entire department is corrupt, tear it down completely and rebuild it with brand new, stricter rules and requirements.

Two, now they get to feel like maybe 1% of what an African American feels like when a cops look at them. For cops, people look at them with disdain. For black people? Cops look at them like potential criminals, walking money to hit their revenue numbers, gold mine for the prison industrial complex, and potential targets to light up with a full magazine. If the cops can't even handle that much, they should turn in their badge. It means they are not psychologically or emotionally capable of handling their job. The position of a police officer is a community peace officer, not an idolized hero worship position.
 
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Your neighbors got into a loud spat a few weeks ago and without fear or hesitation, called a domestic assistance number. A counselor arrived and was able to talk the couple down and suggest solutions for their disagreement. No one was hurt, the kids participated in the discussion, and it's been quiet ever since.
Counselors have been taken hostage and/or assaulted or killed more than once.
 

ch33zw1z

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I hear that many lawyers have done sleazy and criminal things. In fact, there are hundreds of lawyer jokes to confirm that this is the public perception. Should a person in food service, or any service for that matter, just I'm assume I'm one of the sleazy lawyers and be rude to me?

Garbage food is garbage. That is wholly irrelevant.

I think what the difference is, as I'm sure you're aware, is that lawyers arent regularly physically brutalizing their clients. And if a food service worker has a bad experience with a lawyer and finds out your a lawyer, I would not be surprised even a little if they were rude to you.

The "us vs them" attitude has been around for sometime, even in my rural town. I mean, our country was founded out of violent rebellion. Why should we be surprised when it keeps on keepin on.

The relevance of garbage food being garbage is that somehow she trusted these places before. I can tell ya first hand that employees dgaf and will rush your food out to you anyways even when it's been tampered with. In fact, I would've tossed that coffee also.

I wouldn't mind knowing more about her role as an officer, as I was saying. I just want to know why I should care about her plight at mcd's, specifically
 

woolfe9998

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I think what the difference is, as I'm sure you're aware, is that lawyers arent regularly physically brutalizing their clients. And if a food service worker has a bad experience with a lawyer and finds out your a lawyer, I would not be surprised even a little if they were rude to you.

The relevance of garbage food being garbage is that somehow she trusted these places before. I can tell ya first hand that employees dgaf and will rush your food out to you anyways even when it's been tampered with. In fact, I would've tossed that coffee also.

I wouldn't mind knowing more about her role as an officer, as I was saying. I just want to know why I should care about her plight at mcd's, specifically

She may or may not have been mistaken about the reason for the bad service. I agree that bad service is common at fast food places. My "favorite" is when they hand me fries which have clearly been sitting for over a half hour after frying and are stone cold. And unsalted!

I am really addressing the general principal of being rude to someone based on a blanket assumption about a group to which they belong. Making assumptions about people based on group affiliation has many names. We call it racism in one context, sexism in another, etc. But it is all the same idea. People should be judged as individuals, not by presumed characteristics about groups to which they belong.