Police in Greater Manchester let three thieves drive away on stolen motorbikes.......

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Police in Greater Manchester let three thieves drive away on stolen motorbikes - over fears for the safety of the riders who were not wearing helmets.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-10984311

Helmet-free motorbike thieves not pursued by police


Police in Greater Manchester let three thieves drive away on stolen motorbikes - over fears for the safety of the riders who were not wearing helmets.

Officers were ordered not to pursue the bikes which were stolen from a showroom in Altrincham early on Thursday.

They instead watched as three people rode off on three bikes worth £17,000.

Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said the national policy on the pursuit of motorbikes had been followed. Two men were later arrested.

Conservative Altrincham and Sale West MP Graham Brady criticised the decision to prevent the police from pursuing the trio, while shop owner Tony Crawford branded the policy "ridiculous".

Mr Brady said it appeared criminal safety had been put ahead of public priorities.

He said he was "very concerned" that the decision was taken centrally rather than allowing the officers to use their judgement.

"This doesn't, in my view, reflect the priorities of the public who would like to see police giving chase when they see criminals in the process of committing a crime."

Mr Crawford, who only recently set up the Manchester Motorbike Store on Woodfield Road, said: "I just think it's gone ridiculous.

"If they are going to steal these high-powered vehicles then they can literally go and do what they want with them, with the comfort that they know they're not going to get chased with whatever crimes they decide to do."
Motorbike recovered

Supt Steve Nibloe, of GMP, said: "The officers were asked not to pursue the suspects, as they were not wearing the correct safety equipment and were not wearing helmets, so it is clear to me the correct decision was taken.

"Greater Manchester Police follows a nationwide policy which gives clear guidance that motorbikes should not be pursued because of the higher risk of injury to the rider.

"Detectives are pursuing a number of positive leads around this burglary as part of their thorough investigation, which is ongoing."

One of the vehicles has since been recovered and two men, aged 24 and 26, were arrested on suspicion of theft of a motor vehicle on Friday.

They have since been released on bail pending further inquiries until 10 September.
 

Phoenix86

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Meh, part of me would like to see the idiots busted but chases like these sometimes end with innocent bystanders getting injured or killed and that is not acceptable.
But theft of property is? :\

These "excuses" for not chasing thieves are an incredibly slippery slope. In this case, the obvious answer is always steal motorcycles w/o helmets=free bike. Nice precedence!
 

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Once these scumbags decided to take these bikes they should have to face whatever consequence that happens
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Yea what's the lives of a few criminals/potential innocents that get in the way compared to 17,000 euro. These cops are clearly deficient even though they ended up arresting 2 of them later when innocent lives weren't at risk anyway.
 

JulesMaximus

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But theft of property is? :\

These "excuses" for not chasing thieves are an incredibly slippery slope. In this case, the obvious answer is always steal motorcycles w/o helmets=free bike. Nice precedence!

It is more acceptable than a dead bystander.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Once you begin to allow lawlessness, you think it will get better?

You don't allow it; you just persue it in ways that don't put innocent people and to a lesser degree even guilty in undue risk. They still caught the people in this case... they just didn't kill them/others in the process.
 

JulesMaximus

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You don't allow it; you just persue it in ways that don't put innocent people and to a lesser degree even guilty in undue risk. They still caught the people in this case... they just didn't kill them/others in the process.

Agreed. You can't argue with the law and order hammerheads here though. Everything is black and white and justice should be served up quick and as harshly as possible.
 

Phoenix86

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Agreed. You can't argue with the law and order hammerheads here though. Everything is black and white and justice should be served up quick and as harshly as possible.
Incredible.

I'm trying to explain that things aren't absolute, there's middle ground. You can give chase w/o killing innocent (or guilty) people, that you have to evaluate risk vs reward. Your retort is not everything is absolute. :confused::confused::confused:

It's like talking to a 6 year old with the I'm rubber and your glue argument.

Simply amazing.
 

Blackjack200

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Incredible.

I'm trying to explain that things aren't absolute, there's middle ground. You can give chase w/o killing innocent (or guilty) people, that you have to evaluate risk vs reward. Your retort is not everything is absolute. :confused::confused::confused:

It's like talking to a 6 year old with the I'm rubber and your glue argument.

Simply amazing.

How many high speed chases down public roads don't put innocent bystanders at risk?
 

Homerboy

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Incredible.

I'm trying to explain that things aren't absolute, there's middle ground. You can give chase w/o killing innocent (or guilty) people, that you have to evaluate risk vs reward. Your retort is not everything is absolute. :confused::confused::confused:

It's like talking to a 6 year old with the I'm rubber and your glue argument.

Simply amazing.

You're right. It is possible. But it isn't 100% gauranteed. Russian roulette? You wanna play?
 

Phoenix86

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How many high speed chases down public roads don't put innocent bystanders at risk?
100% Which, ironically is the same percentage of risk by having a police force at all. I mean cops die doing traffic stops, or a funeral precession. Should we just abandon the idea of having police? Of course not.

How many high speed chases actually result in bystander harm? Some, and this can be quantified so you can do risk/reward analysis. You can do root cause analysis.

Find a common thread to the ones that do cause harm and create rules for when/not to engage in high speed pursuits. Many departments do this now, with success, some over-do it.

I think in the grand scheme of things, we can agree that the thief not having a helmet would be relatively low on the risk side of things for bystander harm. As for the criminals? I really don't care if they put themselves at risk, that was their choice.

In other words, there's good reasons to not give chase but this ain't one of them.
 

JulesMaximus

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100% Which, ironically is the same percentage of risk by having a police force at all. I mean cops die doing traffic stops, or a funeral precession. Should we just abandon the idea of having police? Of course not.

How many high speed chases actually result in bystander harm? Some, and this can be quantified so you can do risk/reward analysis. You can do root cause analysis.

Find a common thread to the ones that do cause harm and create rules for when/not to engage in high speed pursuits. Many departments do this now, with success, some over-do it.

I think in the grand scheme of things, we can agree that the thief not having a helmet would be relatively low on the risk side of things for bystander harm. As for the criminals? I really don't care if they put themselves at risk, that was their choice.

In other words, there's good reasons to not give chase but this ain't one of them.

You think a 450lb motorcycle at 60mph is low risk to bystanders?

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jiggahertz

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When I first saw the title I thought this was about Manchester, NH. Which wouldn't be out of the ordinary since they don't have helmet laws.
 

Phoenix86

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You think a 450lb motorcycle at 60mph is low risk to bystanders?
Reading comprehension fail. Fuck man, really? Just read the quote you just bolded.

I think "fears for the safety of the riders who were not wearing helmets" is not a valid reason to break chase, which has about jack and shit to do with the point you just made.
 

Phoenix86

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So, at the time they decided not to chase the criminals, they knew this? Why didn't you just say they were psychic cops and they didn't give chase knowing they would get arrested anyways.

Wrap up the thread here folks. We just gotta deploy more crystal balls to our police. :D
 

dainthomas

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England is such a failure as a country. I cringe at the thought of how badly they'll screw up the Olympics in 2012.