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Police in Australia Still using revolvers

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In the state of Victoria the police are still issued revolvers, while other states use modern semi-auto pistols.

POLICE chief Christine Nixon is still refusing to buckle on arming Victorian officers with semi-automatic weapons despite a fatal city shootout that ended with a young policeman wounded.
Ms Nixon is resisting heavy pressure from many rank and file officers - led by the powerful police union - to upgrade the weapons issued to police, arguing that the older Smith and Wesson revolvers are more reliable.

?It's also often described as police proof, that means that when you fire it at someone it works and that's not been the history of semi-automatics,? Ms Nixon said today.

?In fact, when I've watched semi-automatics introduced in NSW I also watched a number of police officers shot during the training program. They can fire on occasions when you drop them.?
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Originally posted by: everman
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In the state of Victoria the police are still issued revolvers, while other states use modern semi-auto pistols.

POLICE chief Christine Nixon is still refusing to buckle on arming Victorian officers with semi-automatic weapons despite a fatal city shootout that ended with a young policeman wounded.
Ms Nixon is resisting heavy pressure from many rank and file officers - led by the powerful police union - to upgrade the weapons issued to police, arguing that the older Smith and Wesson revolvers are more reliable.

?It's also often described as police proof, that means that when you fire it at someone it works and that's not been the history of semi-automatics,? Ms Nixon said today.

?In fact, when I've watched semi-automatics introduced in NSW I also watched a number of police officers shot during the training program. They can fire on occasions when you drop them.?
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This is madness
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THIS IS AUSTRALIAAAAAA!!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by: dreadpiratedoug
Originally posted by: everman
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In the state of Victoria the police are still issued revolvers, while other states use modern semi-auto pistols.

POLICE chief Christine Nixon is still refusing to buckle on arming Victorian officers with semi-automatic weapons despite a fatal city shootout that ended with a young policeman wounded.
Ms Nixon is resisting heavy pressure from many rank and file officers - led by the powerful police union - to upgrade the weapons issued to police, arguing that the older Smith and Wesson revolvers are more reliable.

?It's also often described as police proof, that means that when you fire it at someone it works and that's not been the history of semi-automatics,? Ms Nixon said today.

?In fact, when I've watched semi-automatics introduced in NSW I also watched a number of police officers shot during the training program. They can fire on occasions when you drop them.?
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This is madness
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THIS IS AUSTRALIAAAAAA!!!!!!!
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Hah! I beat you to it. 😛
 
I dunno, I have fired a few semi-auto handguns at the range, and a few times it had jammed while ejecting the shell. (maybe 1 in 100). I was holding the gun too loose in my wrist. Of all the shells that I have had fired out of a revolver, I have never had a single one get jammed.

But in the overall shceme of things, I think they are just as reliable if taken care of and trained propery. Though I will say a revolver, while carrying fewer rounds a lot easier to reload than magazines. (actually putting bullets into the magazine, not changing one out) I don't think it should really matter one way or the other.
 
I think he probably has a logical reason to believe that revolvers are more reliable.

I dont see a huge problem with it, although I hope that they have Assault rifles and the like in case something huge does happen.
 
Originally posted by: Tsaico
I dunno, I have fired a few semi-auto handguns at the range, and a few times it had jammed while ejecting the shell. (maybe 1 in 100). I was holding the gun too loose in my wrist. Of all the shells that I have had fired out of a revolver, I have never had a single one get jammed.

But in the overall shceme of things, I think they are just as reliable if taken care of and trained propery. Though I will say a revolver, while carrying fewer rounds a lot easier to reload than magazines. (actually putting bullets into the magazine, not changing one out) I don't think it should really matter one way or the other.
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My first handgun was a revolver and it jammed all the time. I now have a semi-auto and it only starts stovepiping when i get lazy and don't clean it for ~250 rounds. I disagree that revolvers are easier to load, but it mostly comes down to personal preference. Speedloaders do make revolvers a lot more bearable though.
 
Originally posted by: Tsaico
I dunno, I have fired a few semi-auto handguns at the range, and a few times it had jammed while ejecting the shell. (maybe 1 in 100). I was holding the gun too loose in my wrist. Of all the shells that I have had fired out of a revolver, I have never had a single one get jammed.

But in the overall shceme of things, I think they are just as reliable if taken care of and trained propery. Though I will say a revolver, while carrying fewer rounds a lot easier to reload than magazines. (actually putting bullets into the magazine, not changing one out) I don't think it should really matter one way or the other.
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I promise that in a firefight, you will NOT be loading anything into the magazine. Revolvers are horrendously slow reloads compared to semi-autos, and simply put, you can put more rounds down range and on target in a shorter time period with semi-autos than any revolver could hope for. That, and given the fact that despite massive amount of training and preparation, the accuracy of police officers during a gunfight drops to unheard of levels, I would quit my job if I was forced to carry a revolver.

That chief has everything ass backwards. Its like our current admin opposing 12 hour shifts, on the basis of "we don't like it" rather than on any factual claims.
 
I don't think her reasons are very good at all, modern semi-autos are extremely reliable, and higher capacity is needed just to match what the criminals are using which can hold 18 rounds or more.
 
I don't see a problem with using revolvers.

I also don't see any reason the average police officer needs to shot a large number of rounds quickly. I you can't hit 'em with any of the 6 (or 8) rounds in a revolver, you don't to shoot any more.

I occasionally watch the TV *COPS* and I still see officers in the USA using revolvers.

Fern
 
Originally posted by: everman
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In the state of Victoria the police are still issued revolvers, while other states use modern semi-auto pistols.

POLICE chief Christine Nixon is still refusing to buckle on arming Victorian officers with semi-automatic weapons despite a fatal city shootout that ended with a young policeman wounded.
Ms Nixon is resisting heavy pressure from many rank and file officers - led by the powerful police union - to upgrade the weapons issued to police, arguing that the older Smith and Wesson revolvers are more reliable.

?It's also often described as police proof, that means that when you fire it at someone it works and that's not been the history of semi-automatics,? Ms Nixon said today.

?In fact, when I've watched semi-automatics introduced in NSW I also watched a number of police officers shot during the training program. They can fire on occasions when you drop them.?
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I would be frightened if the police chief where I lived had such a poor understanding of firearms. Perhaps Ms. Nixon should be issued a cap gun? On second thought, the loud percussion of a cap gun might scare her.
 
Originally posted by: Fern
I don't see a problem with using revolvers.

I also don't see any reason the average police officer needs to shot a large number of rounds quickly. I you can't hit 'em with any of the 6 (or 8) rounds in a revolver, you don't to shoot any more.

I occasionally watch the TV *COPS* and I still see officers in the USA using revolvers.

Fern
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If you don't see the need, then you have never been put in a stressful situation that involves shooting somebody. There is no sight picture, there is just point and shoot reactions. All the training I put myself through and my PD puts me through shows me that at BEST, my accuracy will be 20% during a fight. I shoot a 98% during qualifications. I put rounds on target on the move in training, while turning and firing, and shooting from the hip. 20% is the BEST I will do in a real shooting. You are telling me that I should carry a revolver?
 
Originally posted by: FallenHero
Originally posted by: Fern
I don't see a problem with using revolvers.

I also don't see any reason the average police officer needs to shot a large number of rounds quickly. I you can't hit 'em with any of the 6 (or 8) rounds in a revolver, you don't to shoot any more.

I occasionally watch the TV *COPS* and I still see officers in the USA using revolvers.

Fern
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If you don't see the need, then you have never been put in a stressful situation that involves shooting somebody. There is no sight picture, there is just point and shoot reactions. All the training I put myself through and my PD puts me through shows me that at BEST, my accuracy will be 20% during a fight. I shoot a 98% during qualifications. I put rounds on target on the move in training, while turning and firing, and shooting from the hip. 20% is the BEST I will do in a real shooting. You are telling me that I should carry a revolver?
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With a 20% accuracy, I'm thinking shotgun or blunderbuss.
 
Originally posted by: Fern
I don't see a problem with using revolvers.

I also don't see any reason the average police officer needs to shot a large number of rounds quickly. I you can't hit 'em with any of the 6 (or 8) rounds in a revolver, you don't to shoot any more.

I occasionally watch the TV *COPS* and I still see officers in the USA using revolvers.

Fern
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well the reality is that shootouts are more complicated than on tv. or can be. and well, if theres a guy shooting back at you and you run out of rounds in a revolver do you just give up and die? is that what you want? theres such a thing as covering fire as well as direct aim at a suspect..and as said, aim when your life is in danger is probably quite a different thing than what you see in the movies. no one goes to work to get killed.
 
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