Police didn't know about cigar theft till after Browns death, and clerk didn't call

[Oldgamer]

Good info, but this oughta go into one of our other threads

Yes, and isn't interesting how these facts are ignored by some of the posters on here.

 

[xBiffx]

Yes, and isn't interesting how these facts are ignored by some of the posters on here.

About as interesting as you ignoring facts to suit your agenda. Basically, yawn.

 

[LTC8K6]

If they were sticking to that law they would have released a shit ton of other information that would have quelled these protesters, and they are STILL holding onto information that many many news reporters and other people including the family have filed and FOIA request on.

So bullshit, and you know it.

Nothing would have quelled these protestors...

The public already knew that Big Mike had stolen cigars. It's in the very early tweets from the witnesses. Almost immediately they explain that he was running from the cop because he stole cigars.

The tape was merely confirmation.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

For starters thread title is a complete lie. A 911 call was made at 11:51 about the robbery and a description was put out over police radio at 11:52. The shooting occurred at 12:01.

Who made the call is irrelevant. You want to talk about facts? Those are the facts.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...shot-dead-unarmed-teenager-Michael-Brown.html

 

[LTC8K6]

For starters thread title is a complete lie. A 911 call was made at 11:51 about the robbery and a description was put out over police radio at 11:52. The shooting occurred at 12:01.

Who made the call is irrelevant. You want to talk about facts? Those are the facts.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...shot-dead-unarmed-teenager-Michael-Brown.html

I completely missed that, you are right.

The OP actually meant that Wilson didn't know about the robbery, but we don't know that at all.

Most likely Wilson heard the radio calls and did know about the robbery.

Most likely at some point during the encounter, Wilson figured out that these two were the robbers, even though the initial stop was not for the robbery.

 

[werepossum]

Jeez, kid lost his life for stealing cheap cigars. What a waste.

 

[justoh]

For starters thread title is a complete lie. A 911 call was made at 11:51 about the robbery and a description was put out over police radio at 11:52. The shooting occurred at 12:01.

Who made the call is irrelevant. You want to talk about facts? Those are the facts.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...shot-dead-unarmed-teenager-Michael-Brown.html

The first part is true. The police didn't know about the robbery, according to the police. They claimed they were interested only because MB was walking in the street.

edit: or at least, didn't know he was a suspect in the robbery.

 

[z1ggy]

Wait, so how did this kid get 2 bullets in the head, both at downward angles when he was running away from the cop? Was the cop standing on top of his cop car or something and/or 8ft tall?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The first part is true. The police didn't know about the robbery, according to the police. They claimed they were interested only because MB was walking in the street.

edit: or at least, didn't know he was a suspect in the robbery.

Certainly not the way it was presented in the OP.

 

[LTC8K6]

The first part is true. The police didn't know about the robbery, according to the police. They claimed they were interested only because MB was walking in the street.

edit: or at least, didn't know he was a suspect in the robbery.

It's just one cop. Wilson. He did not know the two suspects were the robbers when he stopped them.

The police certainly knew about the robbery. It had been called in to them.

It's logical that Wilson would have heard about the robbery on his radio.

 

[LTC8K6]

Wait, so how did this kid get 2 bullets in the head, both at downward angles when he was running away from the cop? Was the cop standing on top of his cop car or something and/or 8ft tall?

The premise is that he surrendered, and the cop shot him anyway, with the head shots entering as he fell forwards.

But so far, it really isn't born out by the two autopsies, imo.

 

[justoh]

It's just one cop. Wilson. He did not know the two suspects were the robbers when he stopped them.

The police certainly knew about the robbery. It had been called in to them.

It's logical that Wilson would have heard about the robbery on his radio.

okay?

 

[glenn1]

Wait, so how did this kid get 2 bullets in the head, both at downward angles when he was running away from the cop? Was the cop standing on top of his cop car or something and/or 8ft tall?

The meek and submissive Brown was likely curtseying and offering a hug to the evil police officer who then did this:

 

[LTC8K6]

okay?

Only Wilson himself knows whether or not he made the connection during the encounter.

 

[z1ggy]

The premise is that he surrendered, and the cop shot him anyway, with the head shots entering as he fell forwards.

But so far, it really isn't born out by the two autopsies, imo.

I can see the one that apparently came out of the chin region... But crown of the head?? You'd need to be almost directly on top of a person to do that, unless the description was wrong and they really just meant, 'near top of the head, but really just the back', and which point the exit would be around the temple/forehead region.

So what's the latest theory/evidence showing? Struggle in the cop car, 1 shot goes off, the kid runs away while the cop just shoots indiscriminately?

Edit: Unless the kid was actually facing the cop, falling forward.. Then yeah I can see crown of head, but not one exiting the chin, unless of course it was an entry wound or just not an accurate account of the wounds.

 

[Oldgamer]

For starters thread title is a complete lie. A 911 call was made at 11:51 about the robbery and a description was put out over police radio at 11:52. The shooting occurred at 12:01.

Who made the call is irrelevant. You want to talk about facts? Those are the facts.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...shot-dead-unarmed-teenager-Michael-Brown.html

No the thread title is not a lie, read the article. It has the attorney for the store owner and clerk saying neither his clerk or any employee called 911. That some customer did, they even say that the cops didn't know about the petty theft nor the video till after Browns death. Those are the facts.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Police didn't know about cigar theft till after Browns death, and clerk didn't call

So they didn't even know about the petty cigar theft till after Michael's browns death, and didn't even know about the tape either, until after his death.

but, rather, a customer called the police.

If there was ever doubt that you are a malicious twit with an agenda this should disabuse people of that notion.


Your categorical statement is this- "The police didn't know". The basis for that conclusion? "The clerk didn't call"

Your painfully obvious failure "a customer called the police".

Would you explain how a customer calling in an incident would prevent the police knowing about the incident? This should be good.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

No the thread title is not a lie, read the article. It has the attorney for the store owner and clerk saying neither his clerk or any employee called 911. That some customer did, they even say that the cops didn't know about the petty theft nor the video till after Browns death. Those are the facts.

So a customer witnesses a robbery. Calls the police to report a robbery. The police issue a description of suspects by radio responsible for the robbery. All prior to Wilson making contact with Brown and you want to argue the police didn't know about the robbery?

 

[Oldgamer]

Cop to Mike Brown "Get the f#ck on the sidewalk" to NOW suddenly claiming he was "primary robbery suspect" (this smells)

 

[Oldgamer]

The same police department who requested a "No Fly Zone" over their city are suddenly saying that Michael Brown was a "primary robbery suspect" in a convenient store just moments before he was killed by a cop.
... hmmm

Robbery suspect?

pssst ... Police documents allege that Michael Brown was suspected of stealing a box of cigars that police documents show valued at $48.99 (not even a felony).

 

[Oldgamer]

So, if the cop yelling "get the fuck on the sidewalk" and Brown fighting a cop for his gun wasn't scary enough for you to be glad the cop murdered an unarmed teenager, then surely to gawd telling you that Brown was the "primary suspect in a robbery" over a $48.99 box of cigars will make you hate Brown and be glad that cop murdered him, without due process, right?

 

[LTC8K6]

I can see the one that apparently came out of the chin region... But crown of the head?? You'd need to be almost directly on top of a person to do that, unless the description was wrong and they really just meant, 'near top of the head, but really just the back', and which point the exit would be around the temple/forehead region.

So what's the latest theory/evidence showing? Struggle in the cop car, 1 shot goes off, the kid runs away while the cop just shoots indiscriminately?

I can easily shoot you in the crown of the head if I can get you to fall over in front of me...even if you are 2 feet taller than me.

Depends who you ask about the latest.

I haven't seen any strong evidence of shots fired while Brown was running away, just the claims from eyewitnesses.

I know how unreliable eyewitness testimony is, especially in a stressful situation.

I would say we aren't too much closer to knowing exactly what happened than we were a few days ago.

 

[Oldgamer]

I can easily shoot you in the crown of the head if I can get you to fall over in front of me...even if you are 2 feet taller than me.

Depends who you ask about the latest.

I haven't seen any strong evidence of shots fired while Brown was running away, just the claims from eyewitnesses.

I know how unreliable eyewitness testimony is, especially in a stressful situation.

I would say we aren't too much closer to knowing exactly what happened than we were a few days ago.

Explain the bullet wound in the palm of the hand? The shots in the arm.. which are all consistent with someone having their hands up.

In addition, the Ferguson police wouldn't and still haven't released the clothing Brown wore so that the 3 ME's can test for gun powder residue. If there is gun powder residue then Brown was very close up and personal with the officer, but if there is none, then those shots were fired at a distance. They are also withholding the number of bullet casings from the investigators, and that would give a clearer picture of the actual number of shots fired. They pulled one bullet out of the brick in a nearby building so that makes 7 shots so far.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The first part is true. The police didn't know about the robbery, according to the police. They claimed they were interested only because MB was walking in the street.

edit: or at least, didn't know he was a suspect in the robbery.

Let's look at what we do know.

A MATTER OF MINUTES: TIMELINE OF THE MICHAEL BROWN SHOOTING
11.48am - Officer Darren Wilson and an ambulance crew were at an unrelated call about a sick person
11.51am - A 911 call comes in about a 'strong- armed' robbery at a nearby convenience store
11.52am - Police radio dispatch gives a description of two robbery suspects who assaulted a clerk and stole Swisher Sweet cigars. The clerk says the suspects were walking toward the QuickTrip gas station
12.01pm – Officer Wilson encounters Michael Brown walking in the middle of the street in the 2900 block of Canfield Drive. The officer shoots Brown dead following an altercation
12.04pm – A second officer arrives on scene and the ambulance from the sick call arrives to give Brown medical attention. He is declared dead at the scene
12.05pm – A supervisor arrives at the scene of the shooting

Assuming the source (which doesn't have a track record of being shills for US police departments, at least as far as I can tell) is correct, there was 9 minutes between the broadcast about the robbery and initial contact between the officer and Brown.

Now how does the OP refute the laws of time and space to account for that fact?

The obvious statement would be that since the clerk didn't make the call none was made, but the initial article says it was a customer. The call was made. Perhaps there was confusion as to who made the call, but it was made. Does the OP think no one will/would check?

 

[z1ggy]

I can easily shoot you in the crown of the head if I can get you to fall over in front of me...even if you are 2 feet taller than me.

Depends who you ask about the latest.

I haven't seen any strong evidence of shots fired while Brown was running away, just the claims from eyewitnesses.

I know how unreliable eyewitness testimony is, especially in a stressful situation.

I would say we aren't too much closer to knowing exactly what happened than we were a few days ago.

Right, makes it seem like the kid was facing him, but it's really allll speculation at this point, I get that. Either way I find it very hard to believe anybody could get shot in the crown of the head while running away, even if you were in the process of falling down.

I'm not a cop and I don't know standard procedure, but generally speaking aren't people asked to face AWAY from police and do the whole, lock your fingers, place on your head and walk backwards toward me, type of thing? Only way I could see getting shot in the crown of the head from behind is if you were on your knees and very close to the gun.