http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/apd-report-women-at-926236.html?cxtype=rss_news
This ajc.com seems to be a good place to get what's going on.
This ajc.com seems to be a good place to get what's going on.
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/apd-report-women-at-926236.html?cxtype=rss_news
This ajc.com seems to be a good place to get what's going on.
Well, he tried to place her under arrest and she resisted. Bad move on her part to defiantly refuse to leave, and worse move on her part to resist arrest. Then the other female "brat" felt she needed to get involved.Atlanta Police Officer Jose Vidal’s arrest report said he saw three women -- later identified as Freeman, Chancey and Caban -- sit in a booth directly behind him.
"I heard Freeman yelling at another booth," Vidal wrote in the report. According to the report, Vidal told Freeman not to talk so loud and said she would have to leave if she continued to do so.
Freeman and Caban told the officer "they weren't doing anything," the report said.
According to Vidal's report, when he told the women they needed to leave, "Freeman replied ‘I ain't going anywhere,' and she was going to call the real police."
In Vidal's report, he said he told Freeman he was the real police and placed her under arrest.
Is that where we are now in this country where a police officer can come up to you at any time for any reason and start physically assaulting you, and you are supposed to just sit there and take it? Well fuck that, there are far too many assholes wearing police uniforms.
So the solution to being assaulted by an off duty cop is to "chill out"?
I'm still not saying that the cop wasn't perhaps heavy-handed and that he couldn't have handled the situation better at more than one point, but the women are clearly at fault here.
From your linked article:
Well, he tried to place her under arrest and she resisted. Bad move on her part to defiantly refuse to leave, and worse move on her part to resist arrest. Then the other female "brat" felt she needed to get involved.
Drunken "brat" entitlement mentality doesn't play so well in the real world.
I can't wait for the day when cops start getting shot/stabbed/killed with regularity for being abusive. When enough die for their nazi bullshit, it will end. If it takes killing 10% of law enforcement every day, so be it. Small price to pay for regulating those who are supposed to protect and defend our liberty and freedom. It's not rocket science.
That is completely uncalled for; vile in the extreme.
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No, what's vile in the extreme is these people abusing their position and authority. Violation of citizen rights, THATS vile and uncalled for. Responding to it with necessary force, well that's just justice. Our forefathers went to war over far less. We're just pansies for not doing so. It's not only deserved, it's required in our founding documents.
I can't wait for the day when cops start getting shot/stabbed/killed with regularity for being abusive. When enough die for their nazi bullshit, it will end. If it takes killing 10% of law enforcement every day, so be it. Small price to pay for regulating those who are supposed to protect and defend our liberty and freedom. It's not rocket science.
you should pick your battles dude, there are plenty examples of cavalier power hungry cops. This isn't one of them.
Maybe the day will come when you need to cop to protect you, the cops choose to use your approach and talk nicely to the perpetrator in hopes that they stop.
He acted as he did, most likely, because it's his personality or experience. If the more serious instances resulted in SEVERE penalties (like death) against the police, people like him would either control themselves, or quit/be fired.
The minor things happen because the major things are allowed. Stop the major, and the minor will almost totally disappear.
Until the suspect poses a direct threat that's EXACTLY what I expect them to do. Of course, I'm also capable of taking care of myself for the most part. I call the police for minor things, or to take a report after its over...not to protect me. Only the individual is responsible for their own protection.
The rights of the citizen are superior to the duties of an employee. In fact, the rights of a citizen are superior to pretty much anything.
There was nothing minor here. He did his job and did it well. This would be non-issue if the women was a mexican migrant farm worker
Alrighty then cowboy, maybe they will come to take the report of your fatality because you could take care of yourself.
He was a fucktard abusive asshole, and deserved to have his dick knocked in the dirt for over-reacting. There is NO call for hands on unless there's a viable threat present, and NEVER a reason to lose your cool, get personal, become verbally abusive, etc. You treat every citizen with utmost respect, even as you're arresting them when you have to.
ok then please tell me how you remove a belligerent trespasser from a restaurant booth with out getting physical
The City and PD will claim he was acting outside the scope of his employment as he was off duty working a second job which I assume was a security guard for the restaurant or building.
First, you take a minute to assess them. Then you deescalate the situation, which works about 3/4 of the time. Then you set an ultimatum, and preferably organize a show of force if possible (this is often not possible because security so often has to work alone). When all that's done you make an arrest. Not an ejection, an arrest (which carries with it an allowance of minimal necessary force). In so doing you have protected yourself, and everyone else.
People don't have the right to interfere with a LAWFUL arrest, and most know it. In most cases when you make those present aware that all options have been exhausted, and the person is now under arrest, they will not interfere. They may complain, but seldom interfere (except in certain flashpoint situations). People have a duty to interfere with unnecessary physical abuse however.
Then the city should have rules against him or any other officer wearing their uniform while working details.
The fact that he is in uniform means that he is a representative of the police department and of the city itself. They are screwed.
Do you have some proof he skipped all those de-escalation options?
Nope, just a strong feeling given what I watched and my experience, along with the current general state of police mentality.QUOTE]
...current state of police mentality........ Hopefully you realize that the high percentage of the negatives you see, apply to a very low percentage of the actual Law Enforcement numbers. I can't remember the last time I seen a video of an officer arresting a drug dealer, pulling someone out of a burning vehicle/house, doing CPR, de-escalating a domestic, talking to the parents of child in the ER from a traffic accident. Nor will you; those aren't news worthy. Only the negative news is worth the effort, and from this negative news do people formulate their opinions. I still remember an old stats teacher and his favorite saying: These are the facts as best presented to support my case. yep it works both ways. I've also learned to watch how I express my opinions, when i don't have adequate information. Child birth looks painful, but I don't have first hand experience. I've seen grown men critically injured when a smaller female surpises them with a sharp object. I've watched as a woman who was abused by her husband (physically beaten), turn on the officer that was arresting her husband. I've seen what meth can do, but I have trouble relating to it as i've never experienced the sensations of addiction. I've seen how de-escalations can go both ways, without rhyme or reason.
