Police arrest 2 for 'super drunk' driving; blood alcohol levels between .33 & .35

[bobdole369]

hum... only 10 beer to get .35? i was expecting more.

10 of these beers will fucking kill you.

10 of these beers won't even get you a buzz

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

10 of these beers will fucking kill you.

10 of these beers won't even get you a buzz

That is a ale. Try Google Mampoer or witblitz. Few of those will kill you

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Just curious, where (what country/state) do you live that you get an auto blood draw? You in law enforcement?

Was about 7 years 5 of those in the detective services in South Africa

 

[FallenHero]

Was about 7 years 5 of those in the detective services in South Africa

Ahhhh. Completely different rules. That's why. You were probably never even trained in the field sobriety tests. I wish we could just draw blood, would make my life much easier.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Ahhhh. Completely different rules. That's why. You were probably never even trained in the field sobriety tests. I wish we could just draw blood, would make my life much easier.

They do learn what to say when you get asked in court why you thought the person was under the influence like blood shot eyes, breath smell like alcohol not stable on the feet but then a lawyer asked about the baby or a disabled person.

The blood one is simple but its a long process. I take 4 to 6 hours which mean in a area no complaints will be attended during that time. Most police officers hate drunk and driving arrests and the traffic officers will do them normally. I do not understand how they can allow such tests in the US like the field sobriety tests as it only proofs your unstable on your feet and have bad reflexes but it does not proof due to what.

 

[FallenHero]

They do learn what to say when you get asked in court why you thought the person was under the influence like blood shot eyes, breath smell like alcohol not stable on the feet but then a lawyer asked about the baby or a disabled person.

The blood one is simple but its a long process. I take 4 to 6 hours which mean in a area no complaints will be attended during that time. Most police officers hate drunk and driving arrests and the traffic officers will do them normally. I do not understand how they can allow such tests in the US like the field sobriety tests as it only proofs your unstable on your feet and have bad reflexes but it does not proof due to what.

The "totality of the circumstances" is how the courts view things. An isolated test is just that...an isolated test. The "walk and turn" test, as many call the straight line walk, isn't just being able to walk in a straight line. It's a divided attention test, because when you are driving your attention is divided into many different things. The test is no different. There are actually 8 points you can score on that test. The more points, the higher likelyhood of being impaired.

Don't start until I tell you to do so.
Stand with your right foot in front of the other, with your heel touching your toe.
Keep your arms at your side.

Just right there, I am making you do several things at once. And the test isn't even halfway over. The actual walking part isn't by itself hard, its doing everything else WHILE you are drunk that makes it extremely difficult.

As for the baby question. The test isn't valid on infants/children. Only on adults age 15-60 (or somewhere around there, I'd actually have to look for the exact age range). You are also supposed to ask if they have any physical limitations before beginning the test. Most people say no because well, they don't. Clumsy is not a physical limitation. I had one guy tell me he had orthopedic shoes on...BOMBED the test. Passed everything else. He was on his way.

Like I said, it isn't just walking in a straight line. It's everything COMBINED with the inability to walk in a straight line (among the other points in the test.)

Just as an example, this is what I would put on one of the many many forms I have to fill out for the Probable Cause to arrest someone on DUI:

Improper Lane usage, driving slower then the posted limit, slowed down at green light, slurred speech, odor of alcoholic beverage on breath, bloodshot glassy eyes, lack of dexterity in fingers, admission to drinking, used door for help exiting vehicle, leaned on car during instructions, scored 6 points in HGN, 5 points in walk and turn, 2 points one leg stand.

Some of those things aren't illegal, but they build up my probable cause as they are all indicators of impairment.

 

[Ben90]

www.rupissed.com would agree with you.

According to that and wiki I have:
Over-expression
Emotional swings
Anger or sadness
Boisterousness
Decreased libido

Impaired:
Reflexes
Reaction time
Gross motor control
Staggering
Slurred speech
Temporary erectile disfunction

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

The "totality of the circumstances" is how the courts view things. An isolated test is just that...an isolated test. The "walk and turn" test, as many call the straight line walk, isn't just being able to walk in a straight line. It's a divided attention test, because when you are driving your attention is divided into many different things. The test is no different. There are actually 8 points you can score on that test. The more points, the higher likelyhood of being impaired.

Don't start until I tell you to do so.
Stand with your right foot in front of the other, with your heel touching your toe.
Keep your arms at your side.

Just right there, I am making you do several things at once. And the test isn't even halfway over. The actual walking part isn't by itself hard, its doing everything else WHILE you are drunk that makes it extremely difficult.

As for the baby question. The test isn't valid on infants/children. Only on adults age 15-60 (or somewhere around there, I'd actually have to look for the exact age range). You are also supposed to ask if they have any physical limitations before beginning the test. Most people say no because well, they don't. Clumsy is not a physical limitation. I had one guy tell me he had orthopedic shoes on...BOMBED the test. Passed everything else. He was on his way.

Like I said, it isn't just walking in a straight line. It's everything COMBINED with the inability to walk in a straight line (among the other points in the test.)

No not valid for infants but disabled people too who falls in your age group. There are many people who, for many innocent reasons, cannot perform these tests to the officer's satisfaction, and will get arrested then. And I think most people don't know is that the tests/exercises as you call it are not mandatory.That test still doesn't proof the cause of it. It does not proof if there is anything in your body.

But I got to ask where do they get this numbers from ----->.33 & .35

And looking at Wikipedia your laws and charges are almost the exact as ours.

All states in the U.S. designate a per se blood or breath alcohol level as the threshold point for an independent criminal offense. A second criminal offense of driving "under the influence" or "while impaired" is also usually charged in most states, with a permissive presumption of guilt where the person's BAC is 0.08% or greater (units of milligrams per deciliter, representing 8 g of alcohol in 10 liters of blood).Some states (e.g., Colorado) include a lesser charge, sometimes referred to as driving while ability impaired that may apply to individuals with a 0.05% or above, but less than the 0.08% per se limit for the more serious charge. Wisconsin, however, is the only state that continues to regard first offense drunk driving arrests as a forfeiture.

See it do not differ much from what I have said

 

[zinfamous]

hum... only 10 beer to get .35? i was expecting more.

10 per hour, bro.

 

[FallenHero]

No not valid for infants but disabled people too who falls in your age group. There are many people who, for many innocent reasons, cannot perform these tests to the officer's satisfaction, and will get arrested then. And I think most people don't know is that the tests/exercises as you call it are not mandatory.That test still doesn't proof the cause of it. It does not proof if there is anything in your body.


See it do not differ much from what I have said

You keep looking at it as an isolated test. You can't do that. I'm not going to test someone with a broken leg, it wouldn't make sense. It also wouldn't make sense to just arrest someone that scored a bunch of points on the physical tests without any clues indicating that they had ingested SOMETHING that would cause the impairment. What am I seeing in TOTAL in any given circumstance? That is what I look at.

You either understand the concept, or you don't.

BTW, the test isn't valid for people with severe physical limitations either. Hence why you ask them at the start. Not my fault if they lie to me about being fine, fail the test, then refuse to take a breath test to prove to me that I am wrong in my assertion that they are impaired.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

You keep looking at it as an isolated test. You can't do that. I'm not going to test someone with a broken leg, it wouldn't make sense. It also wouldn't make sense to just arrest someone that scored a bunch of points on the physical tests without any clues indicating that they had ingested SOMETHING that would cause the impairment. What am I seeing in TOTAL in any given circumstance? That is what I look at.

You either understand the concept, or you don't.

BTW, the test isn't valid for people with severe physical limitations either. Hence why you ask them at the start. Not my fault if they lie to me about being fine, fail the test, then refuse to take a breath test to prove to me that I am wrong in my assertion that they are impaired.

Symptoms of abnormally low blood sugar can mimic those of intoxication. But you are not required to take it. Then they will take your blood in your countries case I think. But to me it looks like the sobriety test looks like a admission of guild if you take them. I do understand the concept but I see so many holes in the procedure. I will simply refuse it.

But I will wait and try to waste time then say I refuse and let my lawyer sort out the blood test in court due to the time factors as a person in a post-absorptive state is eliminating alcohol at a reasonable rate of 0.020 g/dL/hour avg.