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Police accidents account for half of UK's accidental shootings

Nebor

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http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/...535071&in_page_id=1770

I'm glad only these highly trained, disciplined individuals are allowed to carry handguns to keep the subjects safe.

I can't believe that in a 2 week firearms training course, they're not able to teach people to keep their fingers off the trigger until they're ready to shoot.

This is what you get when the pool from which you select your police officers has no clue about how to operate a firearm. And if you read the UK police blogs, you'll see that requesting additional firearms training or range time will get you labeled as a gun nut by administrators, and likely get your priviledge to carry a firearm revoked.
 

Mean MrMustard

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This is actually a good thing. If guns are banned in Britain, then "only" cops have guns right? ;)

Therefore, they are the only ones with the possibility of an accident. Shouldn't it be 100%?
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Donny Baker
This is actually a good thing. If guns are banned in Britain, then "only" cops have guns right? ;)

Therefore, they are the only ones with the possibility of an accident. Shouldn't it be 100%?
Well, it's a fair guess to say that people with illegal handguns occasionally shoot themselves on accident. Criminals usually have terrible gun handling skills.

I suppose it's also possible that there are some plonkers out there that manage to accidentally shoot themselves or someone else with their legal bolt action rifles or single shot shotguns. :confused:
 

jpeyton

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Exactly how many 'accidental shootings' are we talking about? 5?
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Exactly how many 'accidental shootings' are we talking about? 5?
Yes. 5 accidental shootings out of a pool of 6,700 armed officers is pretty bad. That puts them at a far higher accident rate that police, or non-police in the United States.
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Exactly how many 'accidental shootings' are we talking about? 5?
Yes. 5 accidental shootings out of a pool of 6,700 armed officers is pretty bad. That puts them at a far higher accident rate that police, or non-police in the United States.
do you have some statistics to back up this claim
 

freegeeks

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from the article

Since 2003, there have been seven incidents in which armed police injured themselves or a fellow officer due to the careless handling of a gun, compared to just four in the previous 12 years.
so that is 1,75 incident / year in a pool of 6700 armed police men.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
from the article

Since 2003, there have been seven incidents in which armed police injured themselves or a fellow officer due to the careless handling of a gun, compared to just four in the previous 12 years.
so that is 1,75 incident / year in a pool of 6700 armed police men.
Figured it was some incredibly low number.

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CanOWorms

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Agents of the Queen do not have accidents. They are infallible, chosen by God's representative on Earth.
 

NeoV

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another circle jerk by the gun king

5 accidents....wow, really worth a thread of it's own
 

Nebor

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Now, nearly half of all injuries caused by police shootings are the result of officers blasting themselves or a colleague, often during bungled training and demonstrations.
You guys realize this means that half of the time police shoot someone in England, it's another police officer?
 

LordSegan

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FIRST, let's do some READING COMPREHENSION:

Now, nearly half of all injuries caused by police shootings are the result of officers blasting themselves or a colleague

HALF, OF, INJURIES CAUSED BY POLICE SHOOTINGS... ARE... ACCIDENTS. Meaning, THE OTHER HALF, were INTENTIONAL.

NOT... HALF OF THE UK's shootings were "police accidents".



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NOW, lets do some numbers...

"Figures obtained from 29 forces reveal that from January 2003 to September 2007 there were 21 members of the public killed or injured in operational incidents ? while a further seven police and staff were wounded in shooting accidents, a quarter of the total.

But from January 2006 to September 13, 2007, when five members of the public were shot dead and two injured by armed police, five officers or police staff also suffered bullet wounds."

So in the UK.. in the last... 5+ years, there have been a total of 32 accidental shootings by cops. wow... big deal.
 

ericlp

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Dude... accidental shootings don't mean they shot another officer. Could also mean the gun just went off or they shot a by stander or they shot a person running from a crime that he was not the bad guy.

I don't know where you live but one year in Portland alone dunno how many cops pdx has but, they had 3 accidental shootings... And PDX is considered a very safe city. Would hate to think what the other city's shooting rate is... Get over your gun obsessed posting spree... Your on the verge of trolling at this point....

I guess to close this thread take dick as an example poor one yes... I know he's not a cop... but how many dunking VP's do you need accidentally shooting people?

 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: Nebor

This is what you get when the pool from which you select your police officers has no clue about how to operate a firearm. And if you read the UK police blogs, you'll see that requesting additional firearms training or range time will get you labeled as a gun nut by administrators, and likely get your priviledge to carry a firearm revoked.
What backwater town do you live in that the pool from which officers are selected DO know how to operate guns?
 

StageLeft

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These numbers are so small as to be almost insignificant. A group of cops could get drunk and do some silly business and double the stats.
More people get killed by Hippos a month then this.
hah
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Nebor

This is what you get when the pool from which you select your police officers has no clue about how to operate a firearm. And if you read the UK police blogs, you'll see that requesting additional firearms training or range time will get you labeled as a gun nut by administrators, and likely get your priviledge to carry a firearm revoked.
What backwater town do you live in that the pool from which officers are selected DO know how to operate guns?
Pretty much every city in the United States. Firearms are proliferated here, and most people going into police academies have at least a basic understanding of firearms (in my experience of going through the academy, and all the cops that I've known.)

Of course I've met some that wouldn't carry a gun if the job didn't require it. They never carry off-duty, etc.
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
These numbers are so small as to be almost insignificant. A group of cops could get drunk and do some silly business and double the stats.
More people get killed by Hippos a month then this.
hah
It is a really, really small number. But when consider that only 6,700 police have guns, it's a pretty high accident rate. And just the fact that half of the time police shoot someone, it's an accident.
 

KB

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"Now, nearly half of all injuries caused by police shootings are the result of officers blasting themselves or a colleague, often during bungled training and demonstrations."


Sounds like they need less training.. hah!


 

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