Police Accidentally Record Themselves Conspiring to Fabricate Criminal Charges Against Protester

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Lifer
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Unfortunately, among pretty much every very large group or organization there are going to be some antisocial personality disorder/sociopath types that lack empathy and are capable of destroying people's lives. Remember that FBI agent that was helping Whitey Bulger? I think his name was Connelly or some such. Read the article a long time ago.
 

ivwshane

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I'm not interested in painting all cops as bad because all cops aren't bad. The fact is, there are some pretty shitty humans in the world, some happen to be cops, some happen to be religious, some happen to be white, yellow, black, some happen to be... well you name it.

As good humans we have to recognize this fact and we have to have systems in place that protect good humans from shitty humans, including having systems that protect us from shitty human protectors.

When we fail to recognize our own failings and shortcomings as a species, we inevitability end up screwing ourselves.
 

ivwshane

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Really the smart ones go into the fbi. We know cops are old football players and average level "bros".

No most cops are just like you and me, they just want a job where they can make decent money and have a positive impact on the world or their community. Some, I assume are bad people.


Btw, making generalizations like that puts you in the same category as people like Texashiker. That's not a good thing and not something to be proud of.
 

JSt0rm

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No most cops are just like you and me, they just want a job where they can make decent money and have a positive impact on the world or their community. Some, I assume are bad people.


Btw, making generalizations like that puts you in the same category as people like Texashiker. That's not a good thing and not something to be proud of.


I am making generalizations. I never said I wasnt (unlike texas hick). In general cops are about average in intelligence, training and empathy. Sure there are examples of people who despite all the odds are amazing and still a cop but thats generally not how it is. Also cops chose their profession. A black guy full of lead didnt. The cops should be the ones taking the most risk in an encounter with a citizen. Not the other way around.

nationalize the police force. Create a ROE similar to the one our military forces have to follow in a actual WAR ZONE i.e. Don't fire unless fired upon (they dont always have this roe but when they are trying to pacify a population they know they shouldn't go in killing). Sure some cops will die. But they chose that career. Less civilians dying should be the ultimate goal.
 

Ackmed

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I'm not interested in painting all cops as bad because all cops aren't bad. The fact is, there are some pretty shitty humans in the world, some happen to be cops, some happen to be religious, some happen to be white, yellow, black, some happen to be... well you name it.

As good humans we have to recognize this fact and we have to have systems in place that protect good humans from shitty humans, including having systems that protect us from shitty human protectors.

When we fail to recognize our own failings and shortcomings as a species, we inevitability end up screwing ourselves.

Very true unfortunately. There are bad judges, priests, politicians, teachers, etc. And like the saying says, the bad acts of a few outweigh the good acts of many. There are bad people in every profession, its just that most don't deal with public and are able to take away someones rights and arrest them. With the thousands (millions?) of dealings per day the cops do, there are going to be ones where they do stupid shit like this, or make bad decisions.

That being said I read down to where they were quoted as saying they were going to make up a story about him waiving the gun around to get a charge on him. I didn't read further or see if there was audio. That's all I needed to read and if true, I have zero problems with them be fired. If they're going to break the law willingly, they are no longer employed. Of course giving them a proper investigation and all, but it sure seems like they're guilty. I think cops should be held to a higher standard than the average Joe. As to this guy, it seems like they know him from previous dealings, and seems like an antagonist. They gave him just what he wanted. I don't have a problem with the DUI checks, or him holding up a sign warning people if done legally.

Most cops are just dumb hicks.

Really ignorant and dumb post. Not to mention wrong.
 

Fenixgoon

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No most cops are just like you and me, they just want a job where they can make decent money and have a positive impact on the world or their community. Some, I assume are bad people.


Btw, making generalizations like that puts you in the same category as people like Texashiker. That's not a good thing and not something to be proud of.

but few people have jobs where they have the legal authority to use lethal force with little question/accountability.

edit: at this point, i wonder whether the rules of engagement applied to US military soldiers are more strict than the requirements for use of lethal force by LEOs.
 

ivwshane

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but few people have jobs where they have the legal authority to use lethal force with little question/accountability.

edit: at this point, i wonder whether the rules of engagement applied to US military soldiers are more strict than the requirements for use of lethal force by LEOs.

Which is why I stated that the "watchers" need to be watched. I thought that was clear enough to imply that the police need to be held accountable by an independent third party so that the bad cops can be weeded out.
 

Ackmed

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I am making generalizations. I never said I wasnt (unlike texas hick). In general cops are about average in intelligence, training and empathy. Sure there are examples of people who despite all the odds are amazing and still a cop but thats generally not how it is. Also cops chose their profession. A black guy full of lead didnt. The cops should be the ones taking the most risk in an encounter with a citizen. Not the other way around.

nationalize the police force. Create a ROE similar to the one our military forces have to follow in a actual WAR ZONE i.e. Don't fire unless fired upon (they dont always have this roe but when they are trying to pacify a population they know they shouldn't go in killing). Sure some cops will die. But they chose that career. Less civilians dying should be the ultimate goal.

Just black people full of lead huh, no other races you mention? Nice.

Rules of engagement like in the military are stupid, and not practical. There are many depending on where you are. In Iraq for vehicles it started out for us, ground, grill, grape. Shoot the ground first, then the grill of the car, then the grape (head of the person). The first two as warnings, the last as an attempt to stop the person. Then evolved into pin flares, pop ups and star clusters. Where you would fire them at the person as a warning. Firing warning shots like that is not acceptable for police in America. You HAVE to be accountable for every round. You shoot a warning shot, you may hit someone. Ricochets are a bitch, and you cannot judge where they will go. You shoot the car, it can skip off the hood and go level with the hood till it hits something else. Bullet travel down walls, its a tactic that is taught. You can shoot at an angle on a concrete wall and it will travel about a foot or less off the wall straight down it until it hits something to stop it. Same thing for the ground. You shoot to warn someone, you can hit someone else that is innocent. Afghan was different, and Africa even more different.

Waiting until someone fires a weapon at them or lunges at them with a knife is so, so stupid. It's a death sentence, which you appear fine with. Which isn't surprising coming from you. You want it treated as a war zone, you wouldn't like the results.

Funny how there are never threads on when cops are attacked while sitting in their car, being shot 8 times. Or when 3 cops are run over by a car on purpose. When cops are blatantly attacked nobody seems to care much around here. But when someone gets killed, even when justified, its up in a hurry with insults towards cops.
 

Humpy

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No most cops are just like you and me, they just want a job where they can make decent money and have a positive impact on the world or their community. Some, I assume are bad people.

People choose to be cops because they are drawn to the authoritarian nature of the job, the adrenaline, or have a need to feel respected.

Not many boy scouts stick with the job long term.

Normal people looking for a job with decent money work as accountants and mechanics.
 

Ackmed

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there are tons of threads about cops being killed.

Don't act like it's even close.

You want cops to wait to shoot back until they've been shot at. So if a guy has a gun in his hand, cops tell him to put it down and he doesn't, instead raises it up at them, the cops can't shoot till the bad guy actually pulls the trigger and shoots them? This makes zero sense, you have to see that. You're far from stupid, but claiming that cops would have to wait in that situation is stupid. Yes changes need to be made, with cops, the media, and citizens. Waiting to be shot at, before shooting isn't one of them.
 

JSt0rm

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your right its not even close. More citizens are killed by cops then cops are killed. Therfore more threads about dead blacks then dead cops. But they all get a thread.

Ok in that one situation the cops can shoot. But will they actually tell the guy to drop it? Or will they just fill him up and say they did?
 

JSt0rm

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Also I dont cheer cop death. I think its unfortunate that we live in a country with so many guns. The blow back from no policy in regards to firearms for the last 100 years is people are going to die. We need to try and limit it as best we can. Cops seem like a good place to start as they work for US. We pay them. WE can demand certain restrictions. nationalize the police force is the first step.