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Aquaman

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I play a house game of NL hold'em with my buddies every once in a while and there is this one player that is very hard to play against when he has the chip lead. He seems to be a bully but everytime someone calls him on it he has the nutz. He does not seem to bluff at all.

So how would you play against him?

Cheers,
Aquaman <<<<<< my play again on friday 🙂
 
It's very easy to bet when you have a tall stack. The only way to play against him is to have a good hand, don't even bother bluffing. If you have crap in the pocket, just pass the round. Wait till you have something decent and go with it. But if the flop doesn't help at all, fold. Don't give him any more chips, wait till you can take all of his. If he lets it go, take it. Bet small, let him bet big, then raise him.
 
Kinda hard to generalize on a certain person.

In my group, there is a person like that too.
I read him like a book but he always seem to get to the final 3.
I never see him bluff and yet he always get to the end.

What gets me mad is that he seems to fish alot on the turn and the river and gets it.
I guess you can combat that by betting big before the turn and river.
But the way out group play, when you bet big before the flop, turn or river, everyones fold and you don't win much.
You slow play and people get lucky......blah......its luck alot of times.
 
Very true. I'm not a big reader of tells though......... unfortunately. 🙁

I guess it all depends on what kind of cards I get and what position I am in.

Cheers,
Aquaamn
 
I find it easier to play from the short stack (less than 10x the BB), since there are fewer decisions. The only plays are fold or all-in. Pick two cards and go with them. Any A or K is favored over a random hand, see if he'll call and double you up. You need to play aggressively, and try to double through. This doesn't always work, but it's what I do. Better to make a stand while you still have some chips than get blinded off waiting for a monster hand.
 
Originally posted by: 95SS
I find it easier to play from the short stack (less than 10x the BB), since there are fewer decisions. The only plays are fold or all-in. Pick two cards and go with them. Any A or K is favored over a random hand, see if he'll call and double you up. You need to play aggressively, and try to double through. This doesn't always work, but it's what I do. Better to make a stand while you still have some chips than get blinded off waiting for a monster hand.
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Man.......... A K (Big Slick) is my worst hand whenever I play it 🙁

How's this....... I get suited slick............. go all in because I am short stacked........ the newbie calls me (when I mean newbie...... he did not know a full house beat a straight........ for real) he pulled pockets AA 🙁

Needless to say I was out of that game.

Other times I play A K I get crap flops like 4 7 10 and the other player pairs or trips up 😱

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
Originally posted by: 95SS
I find it easier to play from the short stack (less than 10x the BB), since there are fewer decisions. The only plays are fold or all-in. Pick two cards and go with them. Any A or K is favored over a random hand, see if he'll call and double you up. You need to play aggressively, and try to double through. This doesn't always work, but it's what I do. Better to make a stand while you still have some chips than get blinded off waiting for a monster hand.
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Yeah it may be easier playing with a short stack(less thinking) but it doesn't mean easier to win.
You have alot more options having high stack, you can bluff people much easier.
 
Originally posted by: Aquaman
Originally posted by: 95SS
I find it easier to play from the short stack (less than 10x the BB), since there are fewer decisions. The only plays are fold or all-in. Pick two cards and go with them. Any A or K is favored over a random hand, see if he'll call and double you up. You need to play aggressively, and try to double through. This doesn't always work, but it's what I do. Better to make a stand while you still have some chips than get blinded off waiting for a monster hand.
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Man.......... A K (Big Slick) is my worst hand whenever I play it 🙁

How's this....... I get suited slick............. go all in because I am short stacked........ the newbie calls me (when I mean newbie...... he did not know a full house beat a straight........ for real) he pulled pockets AA 🙁

Needless to say I was out of that game.

Other times I play A K I get crap flops like 4 7 10 and the other player pairs or trips up 😱

Cheers,
Aquaman
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I just got back from a 80 person tourney a little while ago, I went out in 16th, top 12 paid. I was 4th in chips, and had pocket 10's in the big blind. Blinds were 400-800, two callers to me, I raise to 3000, one caller. Flop comes 10-9-3 rainbow. I check, trying to set a trap. It works, as he bets. I put him all in (I had him covered by 2000 or so), he calls with pocket 8's. He's dead to two runners, turn comes 7, river J, and I'm crippled. Two hands later I'm on the button with AJ of hearts, go all in, one caller, he flips J10 offsuit. He hits a 10 on the flop, no A comes, and I go from 4th in chips to out in 16th in three hands. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: CTrain
Originally posted by: 95SS
I find it easier to play from the short stack (less than 10x the BB), since there are fewer decisions. The only plays are fold or all-in. Pick two cards and go with them. Any A or K is favored over a random hand, see if he'll call and double you up. You need to play aggressively, and try to double through. This doesn't always work, but it's what I do. Better to make a stand while you still have some chips than get blinded off waiting for a monster hand.
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Yeah it may be easier playing with a short stack(less thinking) but it doesn't mean easier to win.
You have alot more options having high stack, you can bluff people much easier.
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Not easier to win, just easier to play. Your cards have to hold up, there's just an easier decision. No calls, just fold or all-in.
 
Originally posted by: 95SS
Originally posted by: Aquaman
Originally posted by: 95SS
I find it easier to play from the short stack (less than 10x the BB), since there are fewer decisions. The only plays are fold or all-in. Pick two cards and go with them. Any A or K is favored over a random hand, see if he'll call and double you up. You need to play aggressively, and try to double through. This doesn't always work, but it's what I do. Better to make a stand while you still have some chips than get blinded off waiting for a monster hand.
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Man.......... A K (Big Slick) is my worst hand whenever I play it 🙁

How's this....... I get suited slick............. go all in because I am short stacked........ the newbie calls me (when I mean newbie...... he did not know a full house beat a straight........ for real) he pulled pockets AA 🙁

Needless to say I was out of that game.

Other times I play A K I get crap flops like 4 7 10 and the other player pairs or trips up 😱

Cheers,
Aquaman
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I just got back from a 80 person tourney a little while ago, I went out in 16th, top 12 paid. I was 4th in chips, and had pocket 10's in the big blind. Blinds were 400-800, two callers to me, I raise to 3000, one caller. Flop comes 10-9-3 rainbow. I check, trying to set a trap. It works, as he bets. I put him all in (I had him covered by 2000 or so), he calls with pocket 8's. He's dead to two runners, turn comes 7, river J, and I'm crippled. Two hands later I'm on the button with AJ of hearts, go all in, one caller, he flips J10 offsuit. He hits a 10 on the flop, no A comes, and I go from 4th in chips to out in 16th in three hands. 🙁
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That blows.
Did you get him to go all in before the TURN ??
If he did go all in before the turn, thats really stupid play on his part and he got lucky.
How can he go all in when there are 2 higher cards showing than his pocket pair.
He just got really lucky.

Thats the worst part when you try to slow play.
You get people go fishing and they get lucky and beat you.

I love to slow play when I feel like I'm going to have the best hand and then you get people that
 
95SS has got your answer. I am by no means a professional, but I play a LOT or NL Hold'em tourneys, and the only thing you can do is wait for your hand. Only problem is don't wait too long for the right hand, or your chips dwindle too low. Somone had mentioned about raising too much and not getting much in return. Don't listen to this. You would rather win the blinds then lose money betting small because some lucky yahoo pulled a card out of his a$$ on the river.

Good Luck.
 
I was a moderately short stack at my last NL tourney, went all in with suited AK (clubs). Was called by someone with an equal stack to mine. He flips over a pair of 8s. The jerktastic dealer did the flop in slo-mo: throws down an A, then a K, then and 8. I missed my flush by one card as well. That hand made me angry, but in our second game I won with big slick... so I cant complain too much.
 
Originally posted by: malak
Yeah I never win with a big slick either. The flop is always sub 7's unsuited.
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Hmm, depending of course on the circumstances and assuming you raised pre-flop, why does it matter if the flop doesn't always hit you? It's only about 30% or so to hit. However, considering the rag flop and the fact that you raised pre-flop, it would often be correct to bet out or even re-raise a small opponents bet. You?re opponent may very well put you on a high over-pair and fold. It works a large percentage of the time and if he calls, be worried but at least you have 6 outs on the turn to make TPTK. In addition, your flop bet may just buy you a free card on 5th street.
 
Originally posted by: DBL
Originally posted by: malak
Yeah I never win with a big slick either. The flop is always sub 7's unsuited.
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Hmm, depending of course on the circumstances and assuming you raised pre-flop, why does it matter if the flop doesn't always hit you? It's only about 30% or so to hit. However, considering the rag flop and the fact that you raised pre-flop, it would often be correct to bet out or even re-raise a small opponents bet. You?re opponent may very well put you on a high over-pair and fold. It works a large percentage of the time and if he calls, be worried but at least you have 6 outs on the turn to make TPTK. In addition, your flop bet may just buy you a free card on 5th street.
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Nah, no point to keep going if I've got nothing and the best anyone would have is two pair. You don't bluff the chance of a two pair. Someone who actually has it will call ya, knowing you can't have better.
 
What do you do if one guy seems to only play in when he's practically guarenteed to win the hand (I mean mathematically only 1 hand would beat him half the time). I don't want to sit there and play until 4 in the morning, but anytime I go all in on a hand he won't bite and just folds to me. I guess the best chance is to try and get an early chips lead and then dwindle his cards using through the blinds. Man, I suck at poker.
 
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: DBL
Originally posted by: malak
Yeah I never win with a big slick either. The flop is always sub 7's unsuited.
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Hmm, depending of course on the circumstances and assuming you raised pre-flop, why does it matter if the flop doesn't always hit you? It's only about 30% or so to hit. However, considering the rag flop and the fact that you raised pre-flop, it would often be correct to bet out or even re-raise a small opponents bet. You?re opponent may very well put you on a high over-pair and fold. It works a large percentage of the time and if he calls, be worried but at least you have 6 outs on the turn to make TPTK. In addition, your flop bet may just buy you a free card on 5th street.
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Nah, no point to keep going if I've got nothing and the best anyone would have is two pair. You don't bluff the chance of a two pair. Someone who actually has it will call ya, knowing you can't have better.
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Two pair? Where is that coming from? Did you raise pre-flop? Are you playing with total fish who would call your raise with rags? A raise should gain you respect unless your opponent hold TPTK, which is unlikely. You're playing scared.


 
scared money wont win. you gotta play aggressive when youre on the short stack, especially on the button. make the big stack gamble on his chips, or fold and you can build your stack off of the blinds.
 
Originally posted by: TheNinja
What do you do if one guy seems to only play in when he's practically guarenteed to win the hand (I mean mathematically only 1 hand would beat him half the time). I don't want to sit there and play until 4 in the morning, but anytime I go all in on a hand he won't bite and just folds to me. I guess the best chance is to try and get an early chips lead and then dwindle his cards using through the blinds. Man, I suck at poker.
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incremental blinds
 
Originally posted by: DBL
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: DBL
Originally posted by: malak
Yeah I never win with a big slick either. The flop is always sub 7's unsuited.
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Hmm, depending of course on the circumstances and assuming you raised pre-flop, why does it matter if the flop doesn't always hit you? It's only about 30% or so to hit. However, considering the rag flop and the fact that you raised pre-flop, it would often be correct to bet out or even re-raise a small opponents bet. You?re opponent may very well put you on a high over-pair and fold. It works a large percentage of the time and if he calls, be worried but at least you have 6 outs on the turn to make TPTK. In addition, your flop bet may just buy you a free card on 5th street.
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Nah, no point to keep going if I've got nothing and the best anyone would have is two pair. You don't bluff the chance of a two pair. Someone who actually has it will call ya, knowing you can't have better.
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Two pair? Where is that coming from? Did you raise pre-flop? Are you playing with total fish who would call your raise with rags? A raise should gain you respect unless your opponent hold TPTK, which is unlikely. You're playing scared.
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Flop is all below 7 unsuited. MAYBE someone has a straight draw, depends on cards, but best is a pair or two pair probably. I have big slick, which means I'm SOL. So I'd be bluffing on an already bad hand that someone else probably actually has and would call any raise. I know I would.
 
yeah if yer small stack there is NO bluffing.

Id say you would have to get really lucky or hopefully get a couple of good beats and put him on tilt.
 
Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude
Originally posted by: TheNinja
What do you do if one guy seems to only play in when he's practically guarenteed to win the hand (I mean mathematically only 1 hand would beat him half the time). I don't want to sit there and play until 4 in the morning, but anytime I go all in on a hand he won't bite and just folds to me. I guess the best chance is to try and get an early chips lead and then dwindle his cards using through the blinds. Man, I suck at poker.
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incremental blinds
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You mean keep upping the blinds as people go out? We already do that to an extent.

So all you experts, tell me how to win this. We play with 4-7 people, it is for fun with small blinds so typically everyone just calls the blind....very few raises before the flop. I guess it's good b/c everyone stays involved in almost every hand, but I'm not winning this way b/c everyone gets a chance at the flop and then you never know what's going to happen. Should I go in heavy on some pre-flops to build up chips through the blind? This could ultimate backfire and put me down in chips VERY early in the game though. Guess I'm rambling now...heh
 
Originally posted by: TheNinja
Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude
Originally posted by: TheNinja
What do you do if one guy seems to only play in when he's practically guarenteed to win the hand (I mean mathematically only 1 hand would beat him half the time). I don't want to sit there and play until 4 in the morning, but anytime I go all in on a hand he won't bite and just folds to me. I guess the best chance is to try and get an early chips lead and then dwindle his cards using through the blinds. Man, I suck at poker.
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incremental blinds
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You mean keep upping the blinds as people go out? We already do that to an extent.

So all you experts, tell me how to win this. We play with 4-7 people, it is for fun with small blinds so typically everyone just calls the blind....very few raises before the flop. I guess it's good b/c everyone stays involved in almost every hand, but I'm not winning this way b/c everyone gets a chance at the flop and then you never know what's going to happen. Should I go in heavy on some pre-flops to build up chips through the blind? This could ultimate backfire and put me down in chips VERY early in the game though. Guess I'm rambling now...heh
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With low blinds and random skill level players, traditional "smart" play does not really work. You either have to play tight and outlast them or play super loose and blast them out of the water before you go bust...
 
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