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Poker...Is it a game of skill or luck?

Is poker a game of skill or luck?

  • Skill

  • Luck

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lothar

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See poll.

***EDIT 2***
If it is both, feel free to select more that applies.

Example 1: If you feel it's 60+&#37; skill and <40% luck, feel free to vote for skill.
Example 2: If you feel it's ~50:50, or 55:45 one way or another, feel free not to vote since it's too close to go either way, but make sure you post that so your opinion is known.

I don't want it to be that the extreme people will only vote.
I also didn't want it to be that people who think the game was 99:1 one way or another will vote "both" for simplicity sakes which was why a "both" option was purposely not included in the poll.

***EDIT 1***
The reason I asked was because I was listening to a congressional hearing on C-Span radio last week and a congressman asked US Attorney General Eric Holder that question. He refused to answer it of course. Any US Attorney General would have answered the same way, so I don't blame him.
 
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I purposely didn't but "both" there.
Either it's skills(and therefore should be completely legal) or luck(AKA gambling and therefore should be made either illegal or partially legal with massive regulations attached to it).
 
Both, mostly Luck

lothar said:
I purposely didn't but "both" there.
Either it's skills(and therefore should be completely legal) or luck(AKA gambling and therefore should be made either illegal or partially legal with massive regulations attached to it).
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Even though its mostly luck (60 / 40) that doesn't mean it should be classified as gambling, and even if it was classified as gambling, it doesn't mean it should be illegal. Why can people go down to bet on dogs and horses where its more like 80 / 20 and not get online to play a little poker?

Because America is Retarded, thats why
 
For any given hand, luck and skill are both important. However, no one plays just one hand of poker. Over the course of an evening, the more skilled players will find ways to win from decent hands and minimize losses from bad hands. Bad players who don't know what to do can get suckered into losing big, and on the occasions when they do get good hands they might win but they won't necessarily win as much as a good player because they don't have the techniques necessary to get people to put money in.

As a truly horrible poker player, I can say it's a game of skill more than anything.
 
Both. A skilled poker player will trounce an amateur overall, but you still don't know what cards are coming up. Players of equal skill will have to rely on the cards still.
 
1&#37; luck, 99% skill. There's a reason why you see (mostly) the same players at the world series of poker every year.
 
Krynj said:
1&#37; luck, 99% skill. There's a reason why you see (mostly) the same players at the world series of poker every year.
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You don't see the same players. There is usually like 1 seasoned pro at the final table with 8 nubs every year. And now there are so many "pros" that its just a matter of odds. I don't get this argument.
 
The OP has been edited for clarity.

If it is both, feel free to select more that applies.

Example 1: If you feel it's 60+&#37; skill and <40% luck, feel free to vote for skill.
Example 2: If you feel it's ~50:50, or 55:45 one way or another, feel free not to vote since it's too close to go either way, but make sure you post that so your opinion is known.

I don't want it to be that the extreme people will only vote.
I also didn't want it to be that people who think the game was 99:1 one way or another will vote "both" for simplicity sakes which was why a "both" option was purposely not included in the poll.
 
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lothar said:
I purposely didn't but "both" there.
Either it's skills(and therefore should be completely legal) or luck(AKA gambling and therefore should be made either illegal or partially legal with massive regulations attached to it).
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It's definitely both skill and luck based, though one can excel at the game with skill moreso than they could at a table game.

And that's the keypoint. You are playing against other players rather than against the "house".

Therefore, poker should be allowed more and not treated as strictly as legalized gambling.
 
AMDZen said:
You don't see the same players. There is usually like 1 seasoned pro at the final table with 8 nubs every year. And now there are so many "pros" that its just a matter of odds. I don't get this argument.
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I agree. What other "sport" has it's championship games filled with a majority of amateur players? To me the abundance of amateurs in major events proves there is more luck than skill involved.
 
Capt Caveman said:
And that's where math and statistics come into play.
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Right, and it's still dictated by chance with most hands. You can make a "smart" bet, but you can't guarantee it'll turn out that way. It's very rare to know you have the absolute best hand that anyone can possibly have. Even if you're playing completely risk-neutral bets it's going to be very hard to be in favor of the odds every single time.
 
There is always a certain amount of luck. Like Phil says if it wasn't for luck he would win every time. 🙄

Just by watching World Series of Poker and some of the other Poker shows you know the best players don't always win. Sometimes they played the weaker player like a fool, put them all in, only to get a bad beat on the river.

I would say 80 skill 20 luck.
 
gorcorps said:
Right, and it's still dictated by chance with most hands. You can make a "smart" bet, but you can't guarantee it'll turn out that way. It's very rare to know you have the absolute best hand that anyone can possibly have. Even if you're playing completely risk-neutral bets it's going to be very hard to be in favor of the odds every single time.
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That is where most of the skill comes in, making the other players believe you have a better or worse hand when you don't, and correctly reading when another player is trying to do the same.
 
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