PM'ing at BestBuy might get you arrested

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rahvin

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<< << All I did was print out one of the valid receipts posted on the Hypothermia site (the receipt was for a transaction at the same store on April 2nd) and went to BB to see whether they would price match it. >>

That's the problem, though. Best Buy has no idea that those receipts are real.
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I would like to point out that it being a reciept from Best Buy, and in fact from the very store he was in they did in fact have the direct and immediate ability to verify the authenticity of said reciept. Given their ability to verify the authenticity of said reciept it would seem to indicate that they in fact did call the police not because the reciept was fradulant.
 

Zebo

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<< This is not a matter of greed. This is a matter of BestBuy not getting their act together. >>



You are a liar. If it was a matter of principle--you would have settled this manner the correct way--in the courts!!

You are a con man and it's people like you that make companies rethink their price match and return policies--something that affects all of their consumers, not just the cheap and dishonest bastards like you.



<< Put yourself in my shoes and let me know >>



LOL, I would never lower myself enough to your level to even be able to reach your shoes.
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Fisrt off it's Korn not Corn get it straight;)

Seriously how exactly did he lie? I saw the linked arrest report and what does he have to gain by posting this stuff?
 

apoppin

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<< You are a liar. If it was a matter of principle--you would have settled this manner the correct way--in the courts!! >>



It's pretty obvious you don't know the facts by your ignorant replies and selfrighteous name-calling.
 

elektronic

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<< Let's not talk about the crappy high schools of the South. >>



Any you say this why?
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An excuse to say something, he missed a "Y" at the end of "ever" and well, I wanted this topic on my anandtech today page so I didn't have to search for it.
 

Corn

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<< Seriously how exactly did he lie? >>



His actions betray his deception. He's a liar because he said he didn't go to BB and try to price match because of his greed, but to help them get their act together. Illegitimately using a price match policy does not help a company get it's act together. Complaining to his state's attorney general office or taking his claim to court helps a company get their act together.

apoppin, prove my ignorance. Give me some proof this guy isn't acting out of greed and greed alone. Hell, just give me some proof this joker's claim is even accurate. Before you start claiming anyone who doesn't parrot the BB bashing as ignorant, perhaps you should remember there are always 2 sides to every story.

Has anyone else noticed something strange regarding this "police report"? Looks like a few "lines" of the officer's statements have been cropped out. I wonder what has been edited out? He smudged out his other personal information (completely understandable) but I wonder why complete lines from the body of this police report have been removed instead of smudged like his birthdate.

 

crypticlogin

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<< Has anyone else noticed something strange regarding this "police report"? Looks like a few "lines" of the officer's statements have been cropped out. I wonder what has been edited out? He smudged out his other personal information (completely understandable) but I wonder why complete lines from the body of this police report have been removed instead of smudged like his birthdate. >>


I think the police report came as a fax and is kind of folded or didn't fax correctly, and the picture was taken from a camera. But 2 of those lines are quoted in the web page (bold text are the first 2 missing lines):



<< Upon my arrival, I spoke with complainant Rod Hill (General Manager) who stated that unknown indian male came in the store with a website generated receipt to purchase a $399 item for the price of $129.99. Mr. Hill advised that the computer generated receipt was false because BestBuy.com receipt for the GeForce4 Ti 4600 is on the internet for price of $399, and has been never listed for $129.99. Mr. Hill also stated that 5 other people have come in with these same receipts for 129.99 and it has been placed in BestBuy system as a red flag. >>

 

lllJRlll

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<< Wow, pulse8, take it easy on the guy. I didn't realize that your a Diamond Member status required you to question everything out of his mouth, and you wonder where all those 69XX posts came from? Just relax, let the story come out, it will speak for itself. Then you can have your hater-aide fest. He is just telling a story. By the way JohnnyMnermonic, welcome to Anandtech, don't mind the kiddies, most of us would help you out if needed. >>





So when someone makes a post that you totally disagree or find fault with,you don't question it?


One could say it's highly doubtful you amassed 1000+ posts by agreeing with everyone.


 

apoppin

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<< apoppin, prove my ignorance. >>


No need, you are proving it with every post you write.

I am especially taking issue with your self-righteous certainty that someone is a liar, thief and con man.

Clearly your mind is shut as your mouth should be as you refuse to even consider the other side of this issue.
 

pulse8

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<< Clearly your mind is shut as your mouth should be as you refuse to even consider the other side of this issue. >>

Those in glass houses...
 

pulse8

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<< You too.

Do either of you guys wirk for BB?
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Nope. Never have, never will and I find it completely irrelevant. Unless there's something he forgot to include in his story, I'm keeping my position with the facts that were presented by his posts. If you have an actual argument to make, one with facts that are contrary to anything stated in this thread, please do so.
 

apoppin

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<< If you have an actual argument to make, one with facts that are contrary to anything stated in this thread, please do so. >>



Most of the facts are available for reasonable people to see. If someone really wants to see my analysis of this "story", I will be glad to provide it.

What I am objecting to is calling someone a liar, thief and a con man while wishing them ill without knowing the facts (or even giving them any benefit of the doubt whatsoever).

 
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Gosh! I didnt know so many people liked me..and a few who hated me who had never known me.

apoppin - you are not gonna have any success in making someone believe in my word, if they dont believe it themselves. I have no issue with that.

This same incident is now being discussed on Slashdot.org and its gaining momentum. Its also being featured at geek.com. Go read the posts and my handle on Slashdot is cOdEgUru and you would see my post there too. You are free to contest my views and beliefs there also.

Corn, dude - I dont even know you. :) . If you were there on Friday, you would have had a first hand report on what went down. Until then you have to rely on my word and the police report. The only thing fudged on the report was my DOB and my address.

I hope you guys would let this one go. I dont see any benefit in people sliming each other for something such as this. Believe in me or not, I would stick by my beliefs and you are welcome to do the same too .

Thank you and have a nice day!
 

pulse8

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<< What I am objecting to is calling someone a liar, thief and a con man while wishing them ill without knowing the facts (or even giving them any benefit of the doubt whatsoever). >>

And you're doing the same thing regarding Best Buy's side of the story. For me, him going to a store to try and pricematch something because a company made a pricing error shows more about his character than anything else he's said. He tried to knowingly rip off a company and he just was unlucky he didn't get a stupid employee, the same one that others probably complain about, to allow him to rip the company off. That shows me the type of person that he is.
 

apoppin

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<< Gosh! I didnt know so many people liked me..and a few who hated me who had never known me.

apoppin - you are not gonna have any success in making someone believe in my word, if they dont believe it themselves. I have no issue with that.
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Don't get me wrong, I am not one of your fans and I don't "like" you as I don't really know you. However, based on my personal experience with Beast Buy's managers and lack of response from BB upper management, I can form a pretty clear opinion of that arrogant company.

What I don't understand is your motivation. What are you trying to accomplish? If you are planning a lawsuit you are ruining your chances by posting BB management names in open forums. If you are just trying to give them a black-eye - warning consumers to stay away from BB - still be careful as you are opening yourself up to a countersuit (and guess who has the better lawyers?).

I do NOT care that the close-minded ones among us believe you or not . . . I just hate to see someone called a liar and a thief without certainty.
 

lllJRlll

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<< If you have an actual argument to make, one with facts that are contrary to anything stated in this thread, please do so. >>



Most of the facts are available for reasonable people to see. If someone really wants to see my analysis of this "story", I will be glad to provide it.

What I am objecting to is calling someone a liar, thief and a con man while wishing them ill without knowing the facts (or even giving them any benefit of the doubt whatsoever).
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Which one is it apoppin?

In one sentence you say that "most of the facts are available for reasonable people to see." And then the very next sentence you blame pulse8 for not knowing the facts.It's obvious that pulse8 has read the same "facts" as you and formed a different opinion.Why is it that somehow you are reasonable and informed yet everyone that disagrees with you is some uninformed boob? Why does the person in question deserve the benefit of the doubt from anyone being as we don't know this person from a hole on the wall?
 

docmanhattan

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*puts down bag of popcorn to type*

I have to say that I believe johnnymnemonics story and what happened to him, but i certainly have no sympathy for him geting detained.

It's been obvious from the start that it was a pricing error and it would seem that any PM made now is because the clerk at the BB was too stupid to know not to. Consequently, though, every PM given out is being posted online and printed by every and all ferengi to be used in their own local BB. And then when it doesn't work, they cry foul, as though they were "entitled" to it this price.

Granted, being detained is a bit extreme, but in fairness to "Rod", maybe he's sick of every 2 bit geek sniffing for a way to screw his store.

Bad ferengi. No deal for you.

:)
 

apoppin

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<< And you're doing the same thing regarding Best Buy's side of the story. For me, him going to a store to try and pricematch something because a company made a pricing error shows more about his character than anything else he's said. He tried to knowingly rip off a company >>



First, I do not have Beast Buy's side of the story and doubt it will ever be available to us. My views of the company are based on personal experience with their managers and upper management.

Secondly, is is SO obvious that it is far more than taking advantage of a pricing error. Read ALL the facts and you will see that BB really screwed up in their advertising . . . are you even familar with this BB GeForce fiasco?
 

apoppin

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<< In one sentence you say that "most of the facts are available for reasonable people to see." And then the very next sentence you blame pulse8 for not knowing the facts.It's obvious that pulse8 has read the same "facts" as you and formed a different opinion.Why is it that somehow you are reasonable and informed yet everyone that disagrees with you is some uninformed boob? Why does the person in question deserve the benefit of the doubt from anyone being as we don't know this person from a hole on the wall? >>



No, it is not obvious pulse8 has read the full story. His opinion is his and I am fine with that. YOU are still missing my point . . . that one does not call someone a liar, thief and con man without proof (or at least something more substantial than opinion.
 

docmanhattan

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<< And you're doing the same thing regarding Best Buy's side of the story. For me, him going to a store to try and pricematch something because a company made a pricing error shows more about his character than anything else he's said. He tried to knowingly rip off a company >>



First, I do not have Beast Buy's side of the story and doubt it will ever be available to us. My views of the company are based on personal experience with their managers and upper management.

Secondly, is is SO obvious that it is far more than taking advantage of a pricing error. Read ALL the facts and you will see that BB really screwed up in their advertising . . . are you even familar with this BB GeForce fiasco?
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Anyone who has been around AT a reasonible amount of time will have heard about the BB GF4 fiasco. The people trying to file the lawsuit would like to make you think that it's "SO" obvious because to do otherwise discredit them, but having read the facts, I still see it as petty greed. I know it's not a popular view, especially here where BB is villianised, but I have no reason to hate them. I think their service stinks, but other than that, I have no problems with them.
 

Pliablemoose

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Boils down to contract law & the validity of the disclaimers on the websites, fact is disclaimers are about as worthless as the paper they're printed on, and a contract is a contract is a contract...

The courts tend not to reward incompetence & ignorance, I think BB has a problem on their hands and this will be part of the case law that makes retailers own up to contracts on the net (like a purchase) as valid & not subject to negotiation.

I've been in several BB's that were pretty awful and most are just fair as far as customer service, they're the ones with deep pockets & will end up losing any court battles. Remember, the judge/jury shop @ BB, & they've screwed over a lot of people over the years.

I not only hate BB, but have personally been throw out of one for attempting a PM. I have no doubt they did what they are alleged to have done, prob some middle management goober trying to take a stand. Unfortunately, he's going to cost the company a lot of money & generate some seriously bad press.
 

apoppin

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<< Anyone who has been around AT a reasonible amount of time will have heard about the BB GF4 fiasco. The people trying to file the lawsuit would like to make you think that it's "SO" obvious because to do otherwise discredit them, but having read the facts, I still see it as petty greed. I know it's not a popular view, especially here where BB is villianised, but I have no reason to hate them. I think their service stinks, but other than that, I have no problems with them. >>



Let's cut to the chase here . . . this is not about a class-action lawsuit with greed as a possible motive. It is simply about someone taking a receipt to BB and asking for a pricematch that is at most very questionable. Instead of the manager taking proper action and simply refusing the PM, the customer is arrested for criminal tresspass. Do you really think this is reasonable? I don't.

I am not nor have I ever been "involved" in this BB/GeForce deal as I dropped out of Hot Deals for the 3 months of my Hawaii vacation (January to April). I also have determined for myself to never shop at BB, no matter what they offer due to their crappy policies regarding pricematching, return policies and generally poor customer service.

I however refrain from slandering BB as some people would do to this individual.
 

awanSky

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*just finished my 2nd beer* burrrrpppr...ahhhh

He is upset and suing not because of the price match, greed, bla..bla.. cr@p.....

HE IS SUING BECAUSE HE IS ARRESTED (from police report). If BB just refuse to pm, end of story. No harm done. How hard is that???

chill.... relax... let the whole story come out and decide...

"You are quilty until youre proven otherwise" -- who said that??? :D
 

apoppin

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<< "You are quilty until youre proven otherwise" -- who said that??? :D >>



Not at OT AT Forums. :)

Nice to the point analysis. I'd join you with a Bud, but I'm heading to work . . . :D

 

pulse8

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<< Instead of the manager taking proper action and simply refusing the PM, the customer is arrested for criminal tresspass. >>

lol...And I'm the one not reading the whole story. He was never arrested, he was detained, and he was also never booked or charged for anything.