Also, the Toshiba drives have pretty low DAE rates. My 12x maxes out at 9x, which is OK since I have only a 8x burner, but I can't upgrade to a 16x and do on-the-fly audio copies. I have heard that the Toshiba 12x is better than the 16x for DVD ripping but haven't tried it yet. Also, Toshibas are quieter than Pioneers.