Please read the UPDATE to the guideline for Video Forum Participation

Discussion in 'Video Cards and Graphics' started by ViRGE, Oct 9, 2008.

  1. blastingcap

    blastingcap Diamond Member

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    The links in the first post of this thread do not currently work.
     
  2. Idontcare

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    Avast, me hearties! It be pirate law round here mateys, Arrr!

    (PS - I updated the OP)
     
  3. esquared

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    The moderators have added a guideline update for those participating in the Video Card subforum. Please take to time to read these short additions under the area:

    Emphasis on the following:

    Following these guidelines will make for a better place for debating video card issues without members having to throw down the gauntlet when faced with opposing viewpoints.

    Please help us to keep this subforum, as one that will encourage new members as well as having established members come and participate and grow with us
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  4. WelshBloke

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    Cool, can we get a general frowning upon on terms like Nvidiot, zoner, fanATIc and the like.

    They add nothing to any discussion and just lead to a load of bickering.

    Also can I just get a bit sycophantic for a bit (its ok I'll go shower afterwards) and say what a great job IDC is doing at moderating the forum.
     
  5. esquared

    esquared Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
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    Yes you can. We mods notice those things too.

    Take a look at his new title. ;)
     
  6. BoomerD

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    Hey...waidaminit...your title says
    I thought that was Perknose's title.

    As I learned from the historical documents, "There can be only one."
     
  7. ronnn

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    Just to clarify the new guidelines... in this thread http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2128012, the moderators write "If you simply must express your negativity then do so by pm."

    I have received 2 very ugly pms and am just wondering what the limits to this form of silent harassment are?

    edit: edited out the identifying details as they are not the point.
     
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  8. Idontcare

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    You are not expected to endure negative pm's.

    You have a very useful tool at your disposal to avoid undesired pm's - the ignore list.

    Place the member(s) in question on your ignore list. This will prevent them from being able to send you pm.

    Moderator Idontcare
     
  9. ronnn

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    ok i feel like the criminal here.
     
  10. Idontcare

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    What? I'm not following.
     
  11. ronnn

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    Perhaps I am being obtuse. Just questioning the suggestion that sending a negative pm is okay. They are not fun to get. Not having put the person on an ignore list does not make me at fault for sending them.
     
  12. MrK6

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    Can't you report the user and then put them on ignore? I feel that if someone is blatantly spamming malevolent PM's, that's just as much of a nuisance as spamming malevolent posts on the forum. Reporting them makes the issue known to moderators, and can be addressed if it is indeed an issue.
     
  13. Idontcare

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    I can't disagree with either one of you on moral grounds, but if you read the AnandTech Forum Guidelines you'll notice pm's are not explicitly covered as an area that is moderated.

    For example I have no authority to moderate (take action) any poster based on the contents of any pm they may send to another member.

    We do take action in two situations though, if it is a spammer pm'ing people we like the pm's to be reported (the red triangle is in the upper-right corner of the pm) so we can ban the spammer.

    The second is if the poster is harassing a mod because mods cannot put members on an ignore list by virtue of the fact that they need to be able to see the members post in the forums in order to effect their duties as a mod. (and vice-versa, if a mod is harassing a member since members can't put mods on the ignore list, report it and we do our best to resolve the situation via arbitration)

    We mods can't bubble-wrap the online world and provide protection in every respect. We have a charter that tasks us with moderating public posts for the good of the community, we do not have a charter that enables us to moderate bad behavior that transpires in private or outside the purview of this forum. We can only point you to the tool that does prevent repeat occurrence.

    Sorry, that's the best I can do with the powers that the community has entrusted in me.

    You could always pull together a sensible guideline amendment proposal and pitch it to the mods in Moderator Discussions, we are open-minded regarding such proposals as the presence of the community polls can attest.

    Moderator Idontcare
     
  14. Axon

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    I always find it sad that stuff like this post needs to be said.
     
  15. ronnn

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    No big deal. I have been called worse than an enemy that is malignant inside and will certainly survive. I was just questioning the suggestion that something that was not ok by forum guidelines would be ok in a pm. Hidden harassment tends to be more ugly.

    I appreciate that the personal call outs are much more rare these days and the current mods are working hard on this.
     
  16. Idontcare

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    (apologies in advance for the bold text like I am shouting, forum rules require all mod posts to be bolded)

    ronnn,

    The suggestion made in the mod comments regarding communicating critical feedback by way of pm is not intended to be conflated with communicating harassing or hateful feedback.

    My directions are intended to assist presumably well-meaning members in understanding the appropriate venue for providing their critical feedback to the intended recipient.

    Those members who wish to be abusive in pm's are not doing so because I asked them to or because I in any way condone, promote or encourage such behavior.

    Examples of what I would consider to be reasonable and helpful, albeit negative and critical, feedback delivered in a pm is something along the lines of "hey ronnn, saw your thread, aren't you basically posting basically the same damn thread over and over again? what gives?"...or "hey ronnn, whats up with the argumentative tone lately?".

    Those kinds of pm's are intended to provide critical feedback of a personal nature (relating to the poster and not necessarily the contents of the post) which has no place being posted publicly in a technical forum.

    However I would not find it ok to receive vile and hateful worded pm's, nor do I expect you to find it ok, nor do I expect anyone here who is in good-standing with the community to take what I communicate in my mod-edits as a directive to send vile or intentionally hurtful pm's.

    Can I climbs off me soapbox now and has charburgerz yet? :) ;)

    Moderator Idontcare
     
  17. WelshBloke

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    Maybe we should have a hall of shame, where the PM's get reviewed by some mods and if deemed worthy get posted in a sticked thread. Might stop people being idiots if the know they aren't guaranteed anonymity.
     
  18. Idontcare

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    Not disagreeing with your sentiment, but Guidelines Rule #9 states:
    PM's are considered to be sacrosanct territory. We intentionally do not monitor them.

    Moderator Idontcare
     
  19. WelshBloke

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    Yeah it would need a slight policy change, although I have seen some PM's posted in the old fusetalk forum issues forum. I think they were from that nutter who randomly PM's members with abusive, violent PM's.
     
  20. ronnn

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    Negative feedback or in my business they manage to call it positive feedback, is a risky thing. Word it slightly wrong and you just start a fight. Anyways I am done, thanks for the clarification.
     
  21. Destiny

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    I just want to say all the MODs and Idontcare are doing an awesome job... I was out of forum participation for nearly 6 years from other tech forms because of the bashing and kiddy funny stuff going around back then... My experience on AnandTech forums have been overwhelming positive...
     
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  22. Idontcare

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    :$ thanks for the kind words guys :)

    - Mod IDC
     
  23. Idontcare

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    Adding Amendment requiring thread-title citations per community poll results:

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  24. soccerballtux

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    Hm, that's an interesting idea.
     
  25. Idontcare

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    Updating the posting guidelines in the OP to reflect the fact that the thread-citation guideline was approved for permanent adoption by VC&G community vote effective Sunday Mar 27, 2011.

    Idontcare
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