please, read. Its important (at least to me).

DigDug

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Ya know, it surprises me that I didn't turn to you al sooner. Despite the various vices this forum holds, it seems to be a good barometer of "normalcy" and perhaps it can help me with my situation.

Do any of you suffer from what I like to call quasi-depression?

See, I used to be a very depressed person. I couldn't imagine what it was like to be happy. I saw only the darker side of things. I had an overwhelming empathy for the disadvantaged (which was obviously a transference of self-pity), and I just didn't feel like like had any meaning. A natural consequence of this was amotivation, escapism through drug use, and basically lying in bed all day.
I have gotten over that. Through the use of antidepressants, I lifted my head out of the dark cloud enough so that I could re-experience a non-depressive mindset and have since stopped taking anti-depressants (and all mind-altering drugs for that matter). On the surface of it, I am a portrait of success, or at the very least the portrait of a relatively circuitous path to success - top ten liberal arts school -> drop out for two years -> returns and hold a 3.8 gpa -> enters a good law school....

On the inside, though, I just don't feel like I'm where I could be. Having screwed up the earlier part of my undergraduate education, I wasn't able to matriculate at a top law school, and instead had to settle for a school a bit below that. I have worked myself to death in my first year, trying to prove to myself that I can live up to my potential. The big realization, however, is not that I am capable of such a thing, but that even if I am capable, such "success" still won't give me what I want. Is this the beginning of the all-too-common perpertual dissatisfaction that so many people seem to face?
I mean, in some ways I do have it all - decent looks (or so I am told), decent personality (or so I am told), a good future, a good, strong family (although my parents messy almost-divorce was heavily responsible for my initial deep depression), and youth (although its fading by the second!). In other ways, and often the view I seem to default to, I have nothing - I don't have a girlfriend, I am not at a school or position where I feel I am even able to demonstrate my potential, I have tremendous guilt over the grief I've caused my parents, and I have a brother who, though suffered like I did, seemed to make all the right choices....he is about to be accepted (I'm alomst sure of it) to a top-ten law school (but I'm not jealous in the traditional sense - I am really happy for him and he deserves it...he's busted his ass).

As if such internal problems weren't enough, I feel that the world is also about to explode. The crisis in the middle east and the underlying prejudice, racism, nationalism (read: fascism), and general us/them hostility is threatening to destroy the world I and you live in. While an explosion or a nuclear blast may not ever occur (although it looks like it will), enough damage has already been done. Whether or not you want to admit it, we are living in a different America, where anthrax attacks are now commonplace, FBI warnings about possible attacks have become expected, and the fate of our lives are called into question. How do I go to school - an "occupation" whose sole purpose is to prepare for the future - when I can't convince myself that a future even exists, or one that I want to be a part of?

Perhaps taken seperately, these are all worries that are conquerable. But taken together, there is indeed a greater sum than all of the parts - and I feel like the world is upon my shoulders. Am I the only one who feels this way? Is there something really wrong with me?
 

wfbberzerker

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i feel sympathy for you, and agree with your views in some parts (the view on the middle east, for example). however, i dont have an answer, and i dont think there is an easy answer. really the only thing i guess i can say is you have to look inside yourself for answers and a way to make yourself feel better, if thats even possible.
 

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You are FAR from being the only one. Your description, each and every part, either reminded me of myself or people I'm close to. I don't know how many people here have the same problems/thoughts/etc, but maybe you could try talking to people on other forums too. There are other ones a little more.. shall we say.. sympathetic. :)
 

Czar

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I understand you soooo well. I'v been going through depression also for the over a year now and I'm not seeing a way out of it. But I try to get by, when I feel depressed I close myself off, like you worry about your future then I'v found best is to stop reading the news, awoid everything that makes you feel bad.

Just best of luck to you and I hope you will be able to deal with this.
 

Turin39789

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Another sympathizer without an answer here. I am in the process of dropping out or getting help havent decided which yet.
 

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Thank you all for your words of empathy and encouragement - not that I relish in others suffering, but knowing that other out there understnad is so comforting. Again, what makes this so hard, is that it is not a full blown paralysis that leads to meidicine or a doctor. I don't want paxil, and I don't need it. But then what is there?

Religion. My god (no pun intended). At first my dissillusionment with religion was something I took some perverse pride in. That I was able to logically destroy religious arguments, and that noone I was able to point out contradiction and hypocrisy whenever I entered into discussion with the devout seemed to me, to be a mark of development. However, quite quickly I realized that while I was able to see flaws in such belief, I did not have the alternative, the answer.
Do you know how jealous I am of those who can say without hesitation that they are in god's hands? Do you know how jealous I am of those who can talk about God as if he made a regular appearance at the local highschool, that he was something so concrete that questions about his existence were as absurd as questions about whether cars existed? I just CAN'T. I tried, I so want to believe, but I CAN'T. I've figured out (or perhaps I'm wrong) that such an ardent belief is only possible the mental programming at a very young age, before logic and critical thinking deelop in us. Unfortunately my parents, the selfish hippies they were, didn't see the importance of indoctrinating us with some sort of foundation, something to believe in. And its been the odd man out, the outsider looking in, ever since...

I met a good friend of mine, however, in law school. An orthodox jew his whole life, his studies at Brandeis, revealed to him the realit of the bible - that much of it was copied, taken, and in any event man-made. It destroyed him, but he had the foundation I lacked. Does that mean that I really didn't miss out by not having it?

And how can I honestly begin to embrace organized religion in light of our world as it now stands? Jerusalem, the holy land, is one of the few places on earth where suicide bombings are a regular occurance. Though not justified, their motives may ring true, as a legitimate opposition to a supposed oppression and unjust displacement. I use qualifers and disclaimers because I just don't know. I don't think any of us do. And, you know, it doesn't make a difference - all that is relevant for my purpose is that I see people kill in the name of god. From all sides. And that is enough for me to reject anything that they have to offer.

 

Russ

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<< it seems to be a good barometer of "normalcy" >>



Man, are you lost.

Russ, NCNE
 

DigDug

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Not lost, just in pain.

But, the moment you said America's involvement in the Middle East was because it was "the right thing to do", I made a mental note to shelve your opinions with all the other robots'.
 

Russ

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<< I made a mental note to shelve your opinions with all the other robots'. >>



Coming from somebody who feels compelled to shout out his personal problems in a forum full of strangers, I'm sure I really give a rat's ass.
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Russ, NCNE
 

DigDug

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Coming from somebody who feels compelled to shout out his personal problems in a forum full of strangers, I'm sure I really give a rat's ass.


...Coming from a person who repeatedly "disses" the intellect of this forum and its members, yet is perhaps its longest and most permanent resident (20,000+ messages), do you think I should value your opinion?
 

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Hey Blip:

I wish you can find peace and hapiness in your life. When I was in college and after I had MANY MANY unsuccessful attempts in the whole "dating scene", I felt kind like you are describing right now (this was when we were entering the Desert Storm battle with Iraq). Luckily for me I eventually had the girl of my dreams introduced to me (set up on a blind date - I went into it with ZERO expectations beyond having one night of [clean] fun). That woman is now my wonderful loving wife! I struggled with finding work in my field of study (Mechanical/Industrial Engineering) and lucked into a job that I now LOVE. I provide computer and network support for (of all places) the k-12 school district I graduated from. I only make about HALF what I probably could be making elsewhere, but I work a 39-hour week Monday thru Friday - no weekends and hardly any overtime. It is also low-pressure and stress-free (we haveFUN and I actually wake up every morning looking forward to going to work!) We now have an 11-month old son who is the joy of our lives, and I am SOOOOO blessed that i can spend so much time with him and my wife because of my stress-free job!

To me, success is not measured in dollars alone. I GLADLY sacrifice the big $$ paychecks to have more time to spend with my family. As long as the bills are payed with a little to spare to save for the future and we have a nice home, that is all that matters to me!

I guess the point I am trying to make is that life is what you make of it, but sometimes you can try to hard and it will make you miserable. I was actively seeking out a girlfriend for a relationship/marriage and it was just not working (despite putting MUCH effort and energy into it).. When I gave up and started to adopt the defeatest mentallity, everything just fell into my lap (so to speak).

To end with a cliche - Glass half empty or half full ('nuff said?) You never know what the future will bring.........but when you see a good thing GRASP the opportunity and don't let it pass you by!!!!
 

Russ

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<< Coming from a person who repeatedly "disses" the intellect of this forum and its members >>



Only the deserving.



<< yet is perhaps its longest and most permanent resident (20,000+ messages) >>



Yep, and not a single one of those posts is me pouring out my problems to thousands of people I've never met, nor will ever meet.

Russ, NCNE
 

Turin39789

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I dont see what is so wrong about asking for opinions on personal problems. It is not like he is going to take it all to heart, the abusive childish stuff gets filtered out while the insightful advice is considered
 

DigDug

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Yep, and not a single one of those posts is me pouring out my problems to thousands of people I've never met, nor will ever meet.

No, they are usually smart-ass one-liners rarely contributing anything.

How do you sit here and attempt to paint this Off-topic forum as some some detached, alien group of strangers, while you literally sit here day in and day out racking up post counts that dwarf half of the community members' combined post efforts? Is there some masochism behind this, where you enjoy spending your life among strangers you purport to never ever share anything personal with, or could it be that you are yet another hypocrite (despite the O'Reilly Factor, tell-it-like-it-is wisdom you front), in some sort of denial, pretending that this place doesn't constitute your whole life, when in fact it does, and more so than anyone else here?

I didn't start this thread to bicker with you or anyone else, and I'd really rather not do so. So let's just stop it okay? If you must, post your one-line bit of over-the-hill wisdom and that will hopefully be the end of it, ok?



 

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Depression is not normal, get help from a counsler if you need it, im sure your school has some therapists availble to students. There is a future and you can be happy just find some help, ATOT is not the right place to look.
Sometimes drugs like zanax or prozac will help but i think talking to someone is probably the best start.

dont let you're school or pseudo success define you, if you're not happy in life you'll never be a success. Work on one thing at a time and get therapy.





Cmon russ leave this guy alone, i know he started it but you be the bigger man.

 

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Yep, and not a single one of those posts is me pouring out my problems to thousands of people I've never met, nor will ever meet.

Russ, NCNE
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All the more reason to ask, in my opinion. Where else is he going to get replies from people who he's read enough about to know more or less their mindset, yet probably never meet and so be secure is revealing his most personal problems?
 

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Yep, and not a single one of those posts is me pouring out my problems to thousands of people I've never met, nor will ever meet.

Russ, NCNE
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All the more reason to ask, in my opinion. Where else is he going to get replies from people who he's read enough about to know more or less their mindset, yet probably never meet and so be secure is revealing his most personal problems?
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We are not rained therpasit, a lot of people here suffer from sort of depression , either dropped hints or they said it directly and it doesnt do much good for a bunch of depressed people to empathize with each other, this isnt the palce to hash it it out if he wants actual help.
 

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BlipBlop,

You're cracking me up. This BBS is just entertainment, nothing more, nothing less. Contrary to what you apparently believe, it is not a good place to seek psychotherapy or help with deep-seated personal problems. Try real life for that.



<< Cmon russ leave this guy alone, i know he started it but you be the bigger man. >>



Ameesh,

You're right, I'll leave him alone. But, I'll say this one thing before I go: IT IS DANGEROUS TO SEEK MEDICAL HELP ON A TECH BBS. Nobody here is qualified to give that kind of advice.

Russ, NCNE
 

skeletor

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Yep, and not a single one of those posts is me pouring out my problems to thousands of people I've never met, nor will ever meet.

Russ, NCNE
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All the more reason to ask, in my opinion. Where else is he going to get replies from people who he's read enough about to know more or less their mindset, yet probably never meet and so be secure is revealing his most personal problems?
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We are not rained therpasit, a lot of people here suffer from sort of depression , either dropped hints or they said it directly and it doesnt do much good for a bunch of depressed people to empathize with each other, this isnt the palce to hash it it out if he wants actual help.
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Agreed but I think the original poster has demonstrated enough intellect that he no doubt isn't using ATOT as his only source of help.

Personally I think the computer industry attracts a higher percentage of depressed people, generally those who feel they don't fit in with the rest of society. Certainly not the best place to ask for help, but a good place to hear a genuinely understanding reply.
 

DigDug

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Russ, please reread my posts. Where did I EVER attempt to seek medical help?

I was merely seeking some reassurance, encouragement and some friendly advice - all things that a bulletin board "with strangers" can offer, and without the stigma that asking people close to me may generate.





 

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<--------------Always strive to post my honest opinions and feelings (with no apologies, "P.C." watering-down, personal attacks, or flames) :) ;)