PLEASE HELP!!!!

[hodgenutts]

PLEASE HELP!!! I need your input! Currenlty have an ASUS P5N-MX MOBO. This is what I'm debating. Should I get an Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor to put in it,

or........

Get an AMD Athlon 64 X2 7750 Kuma 2.7GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 95W Dual-Core black edition Procssor, and pair it up with the ECS GF8200A (V1.0) AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI ATX AMD (black edition) Motherboard.

I will do a small modest overclock, I currently have an Intel E7200 and love it, just don't know much about the performance of AMD chips so need some advice.

 

[Markfw]

Going from an E7200 to an E7400 since you overclock, you won't notice a difference. Forget the 7750.

 

[Denithor]

You're building a second rig or just want more performance out of your current one?

If the second, WTF would you buy an e7400 when you've got an e7200? Just OC that fvcker further, should hit 3.6GHz or so easily. Grab one of the Xigmatek S1283 coolers from newegg, $27AR with free shipping right now.

In most duties AMD chips fall behind equal-speed Intel chips. And they don't OC as well.

 

[RallyMaster]

If you're building a new computer: E7400 by miles and miles. Kuma core in summary: Higher power consumption compared to the Brisbane cores of last generation, dumps tons of heat, doesn't completely outdo the Brisbane 6000+, and yet manages to be complete crap compared to a E5200 when both get overclocked. I've had personal experience with a 7750BE and I thought it was a piece of crap. That E7400 will likely do 3.2GHz on stock voltage and won't even blink. My E7200 does 3.17GHz from a stock 2.53GHz on stock voltage if that tells you anything (crappy M0 revision as well).

That E7400 will likely hit 4GHz and still eat less power than a 7750BE does stock with both fully loaded. It's pretty much a no brainer to go with the E7400 if you have a motherboard that supports it.

However if you're wanting to upgrade the E7200, don't bother.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: RallyMaster
I've had personal experience with a 7750BE and I thought it was a piece of crap.

In previous posts, you stated that you couldn't get the mobo to work to your satisfaction, so you scrapped the whole thing and went Intel. Therefore, your "personal experience" with the 7750 is virtually nil. If the mobo doesn't work properly, how can you fairly assess the CPU?

OP, there is no point in migrating to an AMD 7750. Intel's e7xxx series outperform it pretty handily. And, as Markfw900 stated, there's little point in going from e7200 to e7400, it's just small bump in speed.

 

[hodgenutts]

I'm building a second system. I have a second ASUS P5N-MX motherboard just laying around and need a second system so I was thinking of getting the E7400 or trying out AMD as I've never built and AMD system. I'm kind of wondering if the 7400 will work in the ASUS P5N-MX motherboard as it isn't listed on their cpu support list on their website, however the E7200 and E7300 are listed on the support list. Thanks for the repsonses.

 

[hodgenutts]

ok

 

[Dadofamunky]

The only thing cool about Kuma is its nickname. The Asus mobo MIGHT need a BIOS update for Wolfdale. Check for that first. I like AMD myself, and am relieved they've finally got a credible quad-core out now; however, that's higher-end than you seem willing to go, so I think the 7400 is the way to go.

 

[RallyMaster]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

Originally posted by: RallyMaster
I've had personal experience with a 7750BE and I thought it was a piece of crap.

In previous posts, you stated that you couldn't get the mobo to work to your satisfaction, so you scrapped the whole thing and went Intel. Therefore, your "personal experience" with the 7750 is virtually nil. If the mobo doesn't work properly, how can you fairly assess the CPU?

OP, there is no point in migrating to an AMD 7750. Intel's e7xxx series outperform it pretty handily. And, as Markfw900 stated, there's little point in going from e7200 to e7400, it's just small bump in speed.

The motherboard was functional other than those niggling quirks (e.g. screwed up fan controls after BIOS update). However, the CPU was naturally hot and there was no way that it would run passively even at stock frequency on a Scythe Ninja. About the same time I got the 7750BE was when I started overclocking my E7200 and it was just worlds ahead in pretty much...all ways (The E7200 cost me $100 new at Fry's vs $80 for the 7750BE). The 7750BE is a failed Phenom that for some reason eats up more power than a 6000+ Brisbane. For a dual core at 2.7GHz that really shows no big improvement over its previous generation while consuming more power, I concluded the whole entire 7750BE + TA790GX 128M idea to be an idiotic one.

 

[Denithor]

AMD does have a credible series with the new PhII chips but their older architectures (X2 & PhI) sucked. Badly. Too hot, too much power, too low of performance.

Back in the P4 days it was a bit different because Intel's Netburst chips sucked even worse, but since 2006 and the C2D launch the only thing I've recommended or used AMD systems for is basement-priced builds for general use only (surfing, email, DVDs, etc).

Today you can build a PhII X4 system for just a bit more than a higher-end C2D setup (e8x00) so it's a compelling value for some applications (anything heavily multithreaded).

But for your case I think you'd be happiest with another C2D build, especially because you've already got the motherboard.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Going from an E7200 to an E7400 since you overclock, you won't notice a difference. Forget the 7750.

+1

dont bother with an upgrade, just overclock it.

get a better cpu cooler or a better motherboard instead keep the E7200 and overclock that on like a UD3P.

you will get better of both worlds.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Going from an E7200 to an E7400 since you overclock, you won't notice a difference. Forget the 7750.

+1

dont bother with an upgrade, just overclock it.

get a better cpu cooler or a better motherboard instead keep the E7200 and overclock that on like a UD3P.

you will get better of both worlds.

In his 2nd post in this thread, OP stated this is not an upgrade, he has another ASUS P5N-MX to use.

OP, as the e7400 is just a faster version of the e7200, it will assuredly work in this mobo. But, if you can get an e7200/7300 for significantly less, I'd get that and overclock it.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

OP, as the e7400 is just a faster version of the e7200, it will assuredly work in this mobo. But, if you can get an e7200/7300 for significantly less, I'd get that and overclock it.

The E7200 is an M0 stepping. E7400 is an R0 stepping. Not sure what stepping the E7300 is.

Check and make sure that the mobo has BIOS support for the E7400/R0-stepping. Just because it supports E7200 doesn't mean that it supports E7400, because of the different steppings.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

OP, as the e7400 is just a faster version of the e7200, it will assuredly work in this mobo. But, if you can get an e7200/7300 for significantly less, I'd get that and overclock it.

The E7200 is an M0 stepping. E7400 is an R0 stepping. Not sure what stepping the E7300 is.

Check and make sure that the mobo has BIOS support for the E7400/R0-stepping. Just because it supports E7200 doesn't mean that it supports E7400, because of the different steppings.

Why would different steppings affect compatibility? I've never encountered a "stepping-based" issue...