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Please help me with alittle networking.

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DarK SagE

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Ok i have to computers i want to network. One (mine) is running win2k/me. It has a nic installed the nic is atached to a DSL router. The other computer has Win95 and has a nic installed. My dsl routerhas the ability to connect to several computers, so i assume it works like a hub. How would i go about networking these computers and what do i need to share the dsl connection? I can not at the moment upgrade the OS on the other system to something with ics.

Thanks in advance.

 
If you have multi port router then all you have to do is connect all of you computers to the routers. Your router should have one port called WAN, that one you'd connect your DSL modem, and the other ports, called LAN, are for your computers.
 
Is this a Cisco 675? Even if it's not, the theory is similar.

The 675 sets itself up as a DHCP server, handing out IP addresses on the LAN side of things. This means any computer connected to the LAN will pull an IP, & will have 'net access. So, build a LAN.

1) Go buy yourself a cheap 10/100 hub. You should be able to get a 5 port for ~$40.
2) Get 3 CAT5 patch cables, NOT the crossover you're using to connect you DSL router directly to your computer.
3) Plug the DSL router's LAN connection into port 1 on your hub, & your two computers into 2 & 3.
4) Make sure each computer is set for DHCP on the NIC, & then shut both of them down. Power cycle the DSL router, wait for it to train up again.
5) Turn on one computer, let it get completely into Windows. Then turn on the other computer.
6) Both computers should have access now.

Personally, I wouldn't rely on DHCP to run your IP addressing. I'd turn it off in the router (for a 675 the command is "set dhcp server disable&quot😉, & then hardcode the IP addresses for the computers. For a 675, the router takes 10.0.0.1. The computers can be 10.0.0.2 & 10.0.0.3. The subnet mask & default gateway for each is the same, at 255.255.255.0 & 10.0.0.1, respectively. Also get your ISP's primary & secondary DNS addresses & hardcode them as well. That will work much better than DHCP.

Good luck, & if you have questions feel free to e-mail me or post here.

[EDIT]On second thought, you almost sound like you're running a broadband router, like the Linksys... That should be even easier. Just feed the LAN connection from your DSL modem into the WAN port on the broadband router, & connect your two comps using CAT5 patch cables into the LAN ports. If you're using a 675, though, you won't need the LinkSys.[/EDIT]

Viper GTS
 
Viper, thanks.

I'm using a Flowpoint 2200. ALso im only paying for 1 ip address, will what you suggested stil work? DO i have to do any other configuration in network settings?
 
Just to clarify, these are the ports i have on my router. I have one labeled DSl, 4 labeled etherenet and one not labled anything.

Questions, what is DHCP? How would i turn thing off and on in the router? WHen you say change the ip's and subnet masks what about the ones i already have setup inorder for DSL to work what do i do with those?

Sorry for the questions but i dont know squat about networking.
 
Take a look at your current network settings. If the address you have hardcoded is a global IP, you're probably screwed unless you get a broadband router. If it looks like a local address only, for example 10.0.0.2, you might be in luck. Try hardcoding the next sequential address (eg 10.0.0.3, everything else the same) into your other computer, & plug it into one of the other ethernet ports on your DSL router.

I wouldn't worry about disabling DHCP, you should be able to work fine with them hardcoded.

Viper GTS
 
That looks like a global IP address. (It is, I just pinged it from my gateway)

You'll either need to purchase additional IP addresses, or buy a broadband router like this one.

Viper GTS
 
You could do that, but I wouldn't. The whole point of a broadband router is a hardware solution, independent of the individual computers. EG you can have one computer on, two computers on, all, etc... It will still work. Plus, you won't have to worry aout about configuring two NICs, or the performance hit of the software.

Viper GTS
 
HOw much of a hit does the software give? I dont want to spend money on a router. What software can i use for this and how would i go about setting it up? Later on i might switch to a hardware solution.
 
You only need one computer with either 98 or ME, the windowes ICS should work but you will need two nics on your computer. One for the LAN and one for the DSL. Just set the 95 machine for connect to internet though LAN. That will only use one IP.
 
skull's correct, ICS should do it. 98SE & ME should work fine as the OS on the first computer, & just hook your '95 box into the other NIC.

Viper GTS
 
OK i did the hardawre setup. I connected the 2 comps now how do i do the software instalation? The lights on the 2 nics did not rurn on when i conected the cable, i bleive they were supossed to.. rite?
 
You'll need a crossover between the two comps, not a patch cable.

As for how to set up ICS, I dunno. Never done it. It's a component of communications in 98SE, though, so you should be able to add it in. Then just configure it as necessary. The 95 box doesn't need to know it's connected using ICS, as far as it's concerned it's on a LAN.

Viper GTS
 
Damn damn damn damn damn i purchased a frigging 50ft cable for this and didnt know i need a cross over damn damn damn.
 
You really didn't need to buy anything extra. The flowpoint will do everything you need it to do. But from your level of experience I wouldn't reccomend that you mess with it. If you have a friend that does networking then you could do the following.

1. Get the password from your ISP (they will not want to give it to you but make them, it's your equipment)
2. Have your friend telnet into the flowpoint and enable dhcp and set up NAT. The flow points NAT is very flexible and you can even map your static IP to your private ip addresses.
3. Give that person a round of drinks the next time you go out.

The other option is this. And you can do this yourself.....

1. Purchase a linxys router with 4 ports (it's just like your flowpoint)
2. Plug your flowpoint crossover port into your linksys router's DSL/Cable port.
3. Plug your two computers into the linksys router with regular ethernet cable.
4. Follow the directions with the linksys router. (The beauty of this setup is that you configure the router in a web browser)
5. Make sure that you have the following enabled in your network properties (right click on network neighborhood and select properties)
a. You have tcp/ip installed
b. you have client for microsoft networks installed
c. under the 'identification' tab, each computer has a unique name and the same workgroup name ie. computer1 = name:Computer1 workgroup: workgroup
computer2 = name:Computer2 workgroup: workgroup
d. under tcp/ip properties you have server assisgned ip selected.


email me if you have any questions

soho@speakeasy.org

jay
 
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