Please God, is there any way to stop windows from forcing me to new windows? PLEASE, GOD.

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This is the most irritating thing in my life and has been for many years. You know what I'm talking about. As I type this window I have another program or browser loading and it pops up, stealing my attention to it. It drive me @(#$ing bat@(#* bonkers crazy. Is there ANYWAY to change this and turn it off? I am up for rewriting Windows XP from scratch if I need to. Surely this has been an ongoing complaint to Microsoft for many years.

Also, I'd love to have, in IE (and I will switch to firefox if it supports it), the ablity to turn off the setfocus command of javascript. If I'm loading a window and before it's finished loading I start typing somewhere, but then it finishes and changes my cursor focus, that makes me want to actually stop breathing.

Ideas? Thank you!
 

Auric

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MS TweakUI has a Focus option (under General) to prevent apps from stealing focus. I guess a search would turn up the registry setting required if you want to enable it manually.
 

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Many, many people have been complaining about this for a long, long time. Microsoft has paid us little heed -- except for the small bone they tossed us when they provided the TweakUI powertoy for WinXP. (I haven't seen any such thing for Vista, as of yet.)

The thing about TweakUI is that even it doesn't always work. And some of Microsoft's own applications steal focus (the annoying behavior you're talking about).

I say we drive to Redmond with baseball bats and let 'em know we mean business.

And, no, I ain't including a smiley in this post.
 

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Thanks, does TweakUI work enough that it's worth getting for this? I somewhat recall complaining about this years ago and trying tweak UI and it didn't work in the least to stop focus stealing, but that was a long, long time ago.
 

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TweakUI works for some things and not for others. The only way to know if it works for the apps you use is to give it a shot. I remember it doing a decent job of preventing focus stealing for SOME types of apps.

It's a tiny app to download, easy to install, and doesn't screw things up unless you go really crazy with it.
 

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Originally posted by: CrookBloke

It's a tiny app to download, easy to install, and doesn't screw things up unless you go really crazy with it.


Remember, he is Canadian:p
 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: CrookBloke

It's a tiny app to download, easy to install, and doesn't screw things up unless you go really crazy with it.


Remember, he is Canadian:p
Now that is just rude!
 

CrookBloke

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: CrookBloke

It's a tiny app to download, easy to install, and doesn't screw things up unless you go really crazy with it.


Remember, he is Canadian:p
Now that is just rude!


I'll say! And I don't wish to be rude to my neighbors to the north. Wouldn't mind moving up that way, myself.

Almost had my lady talked into heading for Regina so I could take a terrific job offer there -- until she found out how cold it is up there. My guess is, if I'm going to move to Canada, the wife's preferences are pretty much going to limit me to Vancouver.

I do have to say that I could love living in Vancouver.
 

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edit your registry at your own risk, and back it up before making any chagnes (using export)

Stay Focused
HKEY_CURRENT_USER \ CONTROL PANEL \ DESKTOP:
?ForegroundLockTimeout? = ?00030d40?H
 

CrookBloke

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Yup, the entry is there is my registry. And, yet, there are applications which steal focus.

I can be right in the middle of an application and up pops a dialog box or whatever and steals focus. It's especially annoying that the download function of IE and various error messages do this.

Let's say you start a download from your browser and then go on about business -- editing a spreadsheet, typing an e-mail, writing a script, whatever. When the download finishes IE pops up a new dialog indicating that it's transferring the data from the temporary location to the target folder. If you happen to hit the Enter/Return key before you realize that dialog box has popped up, guess what happens. That's right. The file doesn't get moved to the target directory. Now you have to:

a) download it again, or
b) dig it out of the temporary directory.

Or let's say an error message from some background application or the operating system pops up while you're typing / clicking. Oftentimes hitting a specific letter or Enter or the left mouse button will dismiss that dialog before you even have a chance to discover what message it was trying to convey to you! Or, worse yet, maybe you've accidentally committed to some drastic action without knowing it.

I think that the programmers who think that this "feature" is a good idea should be kicked in the nutz until they are dead!
 

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There's a service pack that fixes the focus stealing behavior, it's called LINUX/X-Windows. :)

Other than that, you can solve the problem by installing Vista because after you're constantly bombarded by UAC focus-stealing prompts for a couple of days, you'll never even NOTICE how badly the mere APPLICATIONS do it in slight comparison.

Short of that, yeah, send some nastygrams telling app / OS authors where they can stick their damned focus-stealing modal-dialog junk.

Yes, let's not forget about those lovely modal windows / dialogs that make it impossible to even move the other windows out of the way so you can see the bit of pathname or whatever you actually need to find so you can ANSWER the dialog's question...

Monkeys on typewriters would write better code...........

 

CrookBloke

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Sorry, missed your comments yesterday. Very droll.

But UAC in Vista is NOT a problem for me. For Windows I think it's part of the solution. And several Linux distros use a UAC-like feature (at least some of them not as safely implemented in their default settings as Vista's, imo) to deal with the issue of someone trying to accomplish a task from within a user account that doesn't have the permissions needed.

UAC pops up when I'm issuing commands through the GUI -- at precisely the moment I would expect it to pop up. It doesn't interrupt me while I'm typing a document or working on a spreadsheet or database because a download over a slow connection finally finished. And it doesn't accidentally cause me to perform an action or dismiss a dialog just because I was entering data or clicking a mouse button at the moment it happened to pop up. Used properly UAC allows me to do virtually 100% of my work in Vista while logged on to a standard or restricted user account, invoking admin privileges only when they are needed. This was something Windows needed desperately.

Applications which actually stack up multiple modal dialog windows on me don't stay installed on any of my systems. And I've seen that crap on Linux, too. It's generally a sign that something about the offending app or the OS is misconfigured and failing. Or, if talking about a browser, it's a sign that I've gone to a very badly written Web site. I've never seen IE7 or recent Firefox versions succumb to such behavior..

As for simians, the software I use in Vista, even some of it which steals focus, is, on the whole, rather well-written -- not showing much evidence of having been written by millions of furry, feces flinging little fellows toiling at their keyboards. It's just that the GUI mavens in many companies have, for some reason, fallen in love with this idiotic idea that focus stealing is good. It's rather like trying to have a conversation with a group of adults, one of whom has a petulant, nasty little brat constantly circling about and whining and blowing snot on people's knees and interrupting the conversation. That parent should teach said little crawler to signal quietly from the corner of the room and to await patiently the parent's attentions. (I'm talking about having the the frikkin' software use the notification area, in case the software developers aren't getting the gist of my little story.)

I use Vista/XP/2000/NT4 (deity, help me), Ubuntu, Linux Mint, OpenBSD, AIX, and Solaris. Haven't spent enough time at the "desktop" in BSD, so don't know whether or not focus stealing happens or is possible there. Never seen it in AIX or Solaris, but use them for very specific single-application work. I like Vista and Linux Mint the most out of all of these as multi-tasking desktop systems. Both of them prompt me for permission when permission is needed. But neither of them should allow somebody's crappy little snot-encrusted crumb snatcher to yank on my pants leg while I'm pouring a martini, nipping an hors d'oeuvre, and chatting up my wife. But, occasionally, they do.

A warning to software developers: I have a shovel and am intimately familiar with large areas of wilderness in North America. It's unlikely anyone would miss you, anyway.

 

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Well I've been using tweakUI and I know it's not your fault who recommended it but it basically does nothing. The minimum number of flashes for an app is 1. That is ok but after it's done flashing, I want it to stop being blue. Drives me CRAZY. Like if I get an outlook reminder I have to address it right away. Also, everything is stealing focus it seems as much as it ever was.

Bloody hell.

I wish also that in sql server 2005 when I am writing an edit to a system-made query in the quick-box up top (not a query window, but if one presses the SQL button) it would stop auto-checking the syntax when I lose focus and shooting up a dialogue.
 

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OK I've been using this piece of crap app for over a month and can say confidently that the prevent stealing of focus in TweakUI is completely useless. I believe that in fact in the GUI of the app they just threw a check box on there for fun; it's not actually tied to any code whatsoever.
 

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ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL.

THis is the best thred I have ever read, My chest hurts and Im having a hard time focusing from the tears, But really, I feel your pain on the subject.

I agree that TweakUI is limited at best, I think there is a hidden fix that has limited fix also in one of the properties of the taskbar or desktop, Something like "keep focus" and it works backwards as it sounds.
I belive refocusing of apps shouldnt accure unless its a critical crash of some sort, A simple blink on the taskbar would be sufficiant.
Even those that setup websites so that there page on IE pops to the front should have there knees cracked with a shovel.


Wow, I got such a buzz now.


 

spikespiegal

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I'll be typing a response in our help desk app to a VIP, and suddenly Outlook or my VoiceMail software will suddenly pop up, 'Steal Focus'. and basically cause me to scream obscenely as I'm cut off in mid sentence. If you happen to be wearing a head set you can't hear yourself and you can be heard all the way across R&D.

Somebody at MS didn't get the memo about multi-tasking operating systems I guess. What kind of API call is this anyway? Somebody put it at Ring(O) or something.

Not quite as aggravating as installers that refuse to let go of the foreground when they prompt you to restart, or just restart your system without asking; 'cheers to you, mate'.

I'd like to see both those programmers on a militant Islamic web site with black hoods over their heads.
 

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Not quite as aggravating as installers that refuse to let go of the foreground when they prompt you to restart, or just restart your system without asking; 'cheers to you, mate'.
Though I encounter that less frequently, it is indeed very annoying and very likely the most aggrivating thing I've ever found on a computer.
 

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Originally posted by: Slickone
Firefox tabs don't steal focus do they?

They can, for example if you are typing in the address bar or search box whilst a page is loading.