Please catch the HBO airing of WHEN THE LEVEES BROKE - FOUR ACTS

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Before commenting, please watch it.. otherwise your post is pretty much meaningless.

By your logic:

1. People who have never been to Iraq should not be able to comment on the war.
2. People who don't personally know Bush should not be able to call him stupid
3. People who don't play in the NFL shouldn't be allowed to make Superbowl predictions

You don't have to watch it to know that Spike Lee is going to blame Bush and the federal government for a lot of the problems, all you have to do is read some of the dozens of reviews of the program going around.

The media coverage of Katrina has ranged from bad to awful since the start. Remember stories about snipers shotting at rescue copters, or people being killed and raped in the superdome right in the open etc etc

Worse of all Spike Lee said the following in October 2005 when asked about the conspiracy theory that the levees were blown up to flood poor black areas in order to save "white" areas: "it's not too far-fetched to think that, look, we got a bunch of poor black people here. We got to save these other neighborhoods. What we got to do, dump this in this ward, boom. I believe it."

Those are TERRIBLE analogies... wow... people here are just so lost.

You 3 things you listed make no sense. you see what is happening/what has happened in Iraq... therefore you could make an opinion on it. You could make an opinion on Bush by his debates/talks/speeches... A prediction is just a guess and therefore not relevant here.

That was easy. You can't form an INFORMED opinion on a movie you haven't seen. If you don't get that you really need to consider going back to grade school. It is about as basic as it can be.

Let's all go bashing movies we haven't seen, people we haven't heard, politics we haven't heard, religions we know nothing about, people we know nothing about, etc just like ProfJohn does!

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: K1052
How about responsibility for the numerous local, state, and federal administrations over the last 80 years that let this come to pass in the first place? People had been going on for years about just such a scenario. This disaster was entirely forseeable and preventable, yet each level of government flubbed it's reponsibilities and response.

Bush is just the unlucky shmoe to get stuck with the mess and his less than stellar management and communication skills have not helped him get out of it. Everyone in the various governments before him just decided to cross their fingers and hope it didn't hit while they were in office. Those at state and local level should be happy that they have Bush as a scapegoat to cover their own glaring failures as public officials.

You do mean GW's Daddy and Daddy's former Boss, now, don't ya? Or is it the Right wing majority Congress of the last (twelve?) years?

So we've had three presidents in 80 years? News to me.

Oh, that was a thinly veiled partisan swipe that has no relevance here. I see now...


Both sides get equal credit for fvcking this up IMO. I also think that the state of Louisiana should have stepped up to the plate long ago and installed the required flood protection with or without federal help.

Sorry, since the democrats have control of neither houses and the current administration had 4 years to prepare for a disaster(after 9/11), at least part of the blame lies there. OF course, you could just say "both of them" and pretend the Democrats have any power whatsoever!

 

[shadow9d9]

And about the movie... I was indeed surprised that even after 6 months, people who lost their homes , STILL do not have FEMA trailers(that looked like pieces of crap anyway). Now that is sad...

 

[smashp]

The Stupid in this thread is getting high. More people arguing against this movie who never even watched it.


OH Spike lee barely says a word in this movie, Almost every opinion stated is out of the mouth of a victim.

And the all star cast does include local and state reps.

And it includes one great episode with Dick "the F-bomb" Cheney.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Before commenting, please watch it.. otherwise your post is pretty much meaningless.

By your logic:

1. People who have never been to Iraq should not be able to comment on the war.
2. People who don't personally know Bush should not be able to call him stupid
3. People who don't play in the NFL shouldn't be allowed to make Superbowl predictions

You don't have to watch it to know that Spike Lee is going to blame Bush and the federal government for a lot of the problems, all you have to do is read some of the dozens of reviews of the program going around.

The media coverage of Katrina has ranged from bad to awful since the start. Remember stories about snipers shotting at rescue copters, or people being killed and raped in the superdome right in the open etc etc

Worse of all Spike Lee said the following in October 2005 when asked about the conspiracy theory that the levees were blown up to flood poor black areas in order to save "white" areas: "it's not too far-fetched to think that, look, we got a bunch of poor black people here. We got to save these other neighborhoods. What we got to do, dump this in this ward, boom. I believe it."

Go ahead and give a book report with out reading the Book. You cant Comprehend anything anyway. But your a "Professor"..... Wow, so is this Guy

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: K1052
How about responsibility for the numerous local, state, and federal administrations over the last 80 years that let this come to pass in the first place? People had been going on for years about just such a scenario. This disaster was entirely forseeable and preventable, yet each level of government flubbed it's reponsibilities and response.

Bush is just the unlucky shmoe to get stuck with the mess and his less than stellar management and communication skills have not helped him get out of it. Everyone in the various governments before him just decided to cross their fingers and hope it didn't hit while they were in office. Those at state and local level should be happy that they have Bush as a scapegoat to cover their own glaring failures as public officials.

You do mean GW's Daddy and Daddy's former Boss, now, don't ya? Or is it the Right wing majority Congress of the last (twelve?) years?

So we've had three presidents in 80 years? News to me.

Oh, that was a thinly veiled partisan swipe that has no relevance here. I see now...


Both sides get equal credit for fvcking this up IMO. I also think that the state of Louisiana should have stepped up to the plate long ago and installed the required flood protection with or without federal help.

Sorry, since the democrats have control of neither houses and the current administration had 4 years to prepare for a disaster(after 9/11), at least part of the blame lies there. OF course, you could just say "both of them" and pretend the Democrats have any power whatsoever!

Of course part of the blame lies there and I never disputed that. However, IMO people are focusing too much on Bush and his admin rather than looking at the whole system. Bush is indeed accountable for the slow FEMA response, though I honestly was not hugely surprised. Even under the best of conditions the federal government isn't exactly nimble. The only thing they can seem to do with spot on reliability is collect my taxes. Even had a bill for flood protection passed Congress and been signed by Bush the day he took office to provide Cat 5 protection for NO, this still would have happened as construction would be nowhere near finished. Too many people gambled for far too long that his would never happen. The dice finally came up snake eyes.

I found it particularly alarming that the state clearly had no plan in place to deal with the situation other than to yell for FEMA. Everything that happened was ENTIRELY predictable. What areas would flood in the event of flood barrier failure, what routes would be impassible, that there would be many who stayed behind in NO either unable or unwilling to leave, etc. There are huge number of things the city and state could (and should) have planned well in advance so all they had to do was open a drawer and pull the pertinent emergency plan instead trying (and failing) to handle it on the fly.

There also would have been no disaster (or just limited to wind damage) had congress or Louisiana passed legislation to construct adequate flood protection sometime in the past century. The Army Corps of Engineers also f'ed up since it is now very clear that the limited protections they installed were badly flawed (flood barriers failed well below max capacity)

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: K1052
How about responsibility for the numerous local, state, and federal administrations over the last 80 years that let this come to pass in the first place? People had been going on for years about just such a scenario. This disaster was entirely forseeable and preventable, yet each level of government flubbed it's reponsibilities and response.

Bush is just the unlucky shmoe to get stuck with the mess and his less than stellar management and communication skills have not helped him get out of it. Everyone in the various governments before him just decided to cross their fingers and hope it didn't hit while they were in office. Those at state and local level should be happy that they have Bush as a scapegoat to cover their own glaring failures as public officials.

You do mean GW's Daddy and Daddy's former Boss, now, don't ya? Or is it the Right wing majority Congress of the last (twelve?) years?

So we've had three presidents in 80 years? News to me.

Oh, that was a thinly veiled partisan swipe that has no relevance here. I see now...


Both sides get equal credit for fvcking this up IMO. I also think that the state of Louisiana should have stepped up to the plate long ago and installed the required flood protection with or without federal help.

Sorry, since the democrats have control of neither houses and the current administration had 4 years to prepare for a disaster(after 9/11), at least part of the blame lies there. OF course, you could just say "both of them" and pretend the Democrats have any power whatsoever!

Of course part of the blame lies there and I never disputed that. However, IMO people are focusing too much on Bush and his admin rather than looking at the whole system. Bush is indeed accountable for the slow FEMA response, though I honestly was not hugely surprised. Even under the best of conditions the federal government isn't exactly nimble. The only thing they can seem to do with spot on reliability is collect my taxes. Even had a bill for flood protection passed Congress and been signed by Bush the day he took office to provide Cat 5 protection for NO, this still would have happened as construction would be nowhere near finished. Too many people gambled for far too long that his would never happen. The dice finally came up snake eyes.

I found it particularly alarming that the state clearly had no plan in place to deal with the situation other than to yell for FEMA. Everything that happened was ENTIRELY predictable. What areas would flood in the event of flood barrier failure, what routes would be impassible, that there would be many who stayed behind in NO either unable or unwilling to leave, etc. There are huge number of things the city and state could (and should) have planned well in advance so all they had to do was open a drawer and pull the pertinent emergency plan instead trying (and failing) to handle it on the fly.

There also would have been no disaster (or just limited to wind damage) had congress or Louisiana passed legislation to construct adequate flood protection sometime in the past century. The Army Corps of Engineers also f'ed up since it is now very clear that the limited protections they installed were badly flawed (flood barriers failed well below max capacity)

I pretty much agree, but I do not think anyone, including this movie, let's the state or local governments go blameless. That would be illogical.